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Hello I represent hamlets.
We use games factory to create games, would we be sectioned as commercial, or would we be sectioned as independent? What is continent of independence in game? Are we free gamers or are we more literally involved in protesting conservatives? If so i am not an independent game maker i love america.

 Is it possible to pirate your own game, no I dont. would it be illegal? By this sense I am asking is it is legal to sell and distribute (reproduce) a game without govermnent allowance. Does the government allow you to pirate games? Yes it is illegal.

i love america and i love indie games. to me they are both the same thing. :)

Sorry
thankyou

I agree wholeheartedly with your post and your beliefs.

Nothing's more 'murican than indie games: I love my Nascar, Budweiser, and :cavestory:! Just don't tell the majority of folks round these parts... they be foreigners. I pray Pencerkoff doesn't see this thread.

You are awesome.

I'm actually gonna try to tackle your questions, though I'm by no means an authority.



The question of what's indie seems to be a hot one 'round here. The safest explanation I've found is, indie means you:
 A) Don't have the backing of a publisher
 B) Aren't a publisher yourself (IE Valve)
 C) Don't possess such a excess of capital that you don't need a publisher (IE: pre-merger Blizzard)

I'm sure someone will be along to contradict me shortly.



Uhhhh, if you're making your own game, it depends on your country's laws. Generally, as long as you record your revenue and pay your income & sales taxes, there's nothing a government is interested in doing.

http://tig.wikia.com/wiki/What_is_Indie

What happened to Andre? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClAqXx0LCyU&feature=related)

(http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-2/redneck-with-confederate-hat.jpg)

Is that a Wisest Wizard Staff?

this is on behalf of hamlets.
Thankyou for all of the great replies!!!!!!!! they were so rad!

but my thirst is is not released.

now i am in great understanding that we make games for free to support the conservatives or the very left i am not sure which. my question is THIS: why do we make games... is it for the very left or the conservative idealogy?

if this be the case it, what is our strategy? do we protest advocate solely through creation of games or is it there some congregation of any sort? im already not stupid enough to assume that we are a non-violent congregation.

thankyou once again sorry i love america and i love independence the kind we see everyday in the independent gaming industry



 

If your game is controlled with the WASD keys then it supports the left, or if it controls with arrow keys it will support the right.  Make sure not to support the far right by using the number pad, because people on laptops do not acknowledge their existence.  People with laptops are holocaust deniers.

Is it impossible to make indie games for both money and love of the craft/ support of independence?

Oh, it is totally possible to pull this off. It isn't easy though. If you are going to make an indie game that is also financially successful, everyone is going to immediately question whether or not you deserve to be called "indie." The whole starving-artist mentality is one that is prevalent in any "indie" scene. There are always people who will question whether or not you have sold out.

The best way to avoid such questions is to have produced a game that is critically acclaimed. If your game is widely recognized as a quality title, most people will be willing to forgive any financial success you manage to acquire. Another method is to make your game pretentious. This is a popular method, because it is quite reliable at establishing your game as indie whether it turns a profit or not. Another reliable method is to have highly stylized art in your game. This goes hand in hand with the pretentious strategy. If you try to make mainstream realistic graphics, people will be much more likely to call your indie credibility into question. But a game with a unique art style is rarely ever questioned.

And of course, one of the most reliable ways to establish indie cred is to give money away. If you manage to make a financial windfall with one of your games, giving a hefty chunk of your new found wealth away will demonstrate to the indie community that you aren't letting your success go to your head. Donating these funds to various indie and open-source projects is a good start, as well as the Child's Play charity.

One of the things that you have avoid, like the plague, is focus groups and marketing influence. As soon as these work their way into your project, your indie cred is gone. Games with overt focus group testing are automatically mainstream.

You just managed to write a post that works both as useful advice and as satire. Hats off to you, and I'm not even being ironic.  :gentleman:

Doesn't that say something about the nature of being indie? :P

Regardless, that was a good post.

"I" don't "get "it"".

 :biglaff:  Holocaust deniers.


Anyway, the indie community doesn't have a strong overall organization or 'congregation' or any official set of political beliefs other than one which drives them in the direction of being poor and making art they think is good rather than making oodles of cash and compromising their vision.  Like most artistic communities its members generally swing to the left, but diversity of philosophies is welcomed!

One could argue the indie game community to be anti-capitalistic if one wanted to, in much the same way one could make that argument for the opensource movement or starving artists in general.  As with the other two, however, indie games are a grounds for enterprise.  And that, not corporate dominance, is what American capitalism is supposed to be about.  Unfortunately, it's dying for the most part.  But we hold out!

Moral:  Every time a shitty, well-marketed game succeeds in the market, an eagle starts crying.

 :eyebrows: indie is a stand alone complex

So, is this hamletz/andre stern all some elaborate in-joke, or is my brain just failing?

I love how this is worded:

"although, a few examples of fully commercial software exist:
Examples
Derek Yu
Jason Rohrer
konjak
Arthur Lee"

I wish I were fully commercial software  :biglaff:

don't worry about what you are on the outside

the important thing

is to be indie inside

okay okay i understand now friends

i think maybe i am also indie just as all of you wish but i also do not understand how there is not conflict in between amongst in with you who are conservative versus left wing
personally i must come to think that we should as a group choose a side and perhaps the minority can leave so they are will not conflicted with us who are the major portion.

im indie on the inside but on the outside i think we must infiltrate and make religious and politics choices as a single society so that we do not have abundance of nay-says

i think we should begin poll or some sort of rallying point to determine which of us is a threat to the indie and what we call 'america spirit'

dont get me though, im just a small time game publish such as the rest of you (or am I?... ;) lol im kidding)

What country are you from?

(http://zacaj.com/indieinside.png)

You know when moi is being the voice of reason we have a very bizarre thread.

I'm sure this thread is just an amusing joke, but on the off chance it isn't... Hamletz, you seem to have confused the indie game community with a political party.

in answer the aformentioned first question.
i am not orgignally but now i am australia but I would love to live in america.
in answer to souillard.
i understand what you are saying, but i also have come to undertstand that perhaps you are not under what you are saying.
you say 'for instance' that I am amusing joke. I make one amusing joke and it was funny I agree but not the topic for our discussion.

hey zacaj ill put it on my user now thanks

i dont know how to make it smaller sorry zacaj  ???

Homogenization of ideas and opinions is a troubling goal, and pretty antithetical of a democracy.

That being said, It's often beneficial to avoid discussions of Politics or Religion in causal conversation. Particularly on the Internet where deception and antagonism runs rampant.

Indie gaming and development transcends petty politics and mumbo jumbo about "wings".

Here you go Hamletz:
(http://zacaj.com/indieinsidesmall.png)

thankyou zacaj! when thew the hamletz website+forums are up i will personally give you with one hundred hamletz points!  ;)

I think stars rift is right. dont take this as insulting my friends, but i think the indie games commune should begin to stop thinking about political idealogy and start more thinking about just making Games. stalin was immersed by politics and just please look at what happened? he killed 1000 people. the indie games commune can lear of the this.

As a Conservative Indie, I request for not finishing game projects to be prohibited by law. It is a most despicable and vile act to abort an unborn game and I am sure that every Indie who accepts Pixel as their Lord and Savior will agree that this inhuman crime should be met with the severest consequences.

what? ... dont be stupid.

Why do you hate freedom?

Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls? At least, I hope so, because if this discussion is happening sincerely I will be sad. :concerned:

We should stage a coup and destroy all mainstream game infrastructure.

I agree. Now, who was it that first mentioned politics in this thread again?  :lol:

At least we do so in a classy fashion.

Also, somebody please explain to me what the crap is going on here?

I admit, I thought Hamletz was for real at first. I mean, let's face it, there are a lot of... uh... different people on the internets and on top of that, bad English can distort the meaning of posts sometimes. I realized he was a troll as soon as I read his comment about Stalin.  :lol:

what is wrong with vocalising my distaste for stalin?
suddenly id ont feel so comfortably anymore, for such interest, a troll? why do you accuse me of being that which is not human? is it coloquilism?

im sorry for being petulant sorry

Erm...

As they say in USA, "he's a petulant clerk"

i was an american indie but i defected to canada. they lured me in with maple syrup and poutine and free healthcare and gay marriage and calling corndogs "pogos" and sharp cheddar "old cheese" for some unknown reason but by golly it sure does sound generally acceptable and non-offensive.

am i still indie?

Not till you travel a little farther north -- once you reach Alaska we can discuss indie-ness.

do not americans and candias get along? americans are 'indie as it gets' yet i think in a little special way we are all indie, including the candanadians who are mostly less indie i think.

i think there must be a different term to difference from the true indies (from USA) and those who aerew not american yet still independent. also what about americans who are not indie... are they 'the normal men' and we are the 'true americans'? i dont fully understand.....

here is what i do know

americans - indie
non-american indies - need to be named
american non-indie - need to be named

correct me if wrong

What's with the american obsession?

As a proud Candanadian, I assure you: we are as indie as they come.

... you must have not be an american...

most people aren't.

No, but I am, and I'm starting to wonder the same thing. I thought this a joke, but now I'm not so sure.

My guess: This guy is either using Google translator or putting on an act to get attention. I'm leaning towards the latter.

C'mon people, it's so obvious. Have you noticed how he completely "misinterprets" every single post he "replies" to, as an excuse to come up with more nonsensical-but-vaguely-controversial ramblings? Or how comically bizarre his obsession with America comes across? Or how he seems to be able to write English better than read it? Yeah...

edit:i use translator and knowledge of english to interperet every post.

 :handclap: :lol:

I want to part of this.