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Title: subtitles
Post by: mooosh on July 21, 2011, 06:34:12 AM
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Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: Christian223 on July 21, 2011, 06:41:54 AM
Never heard of this, what do you mean?.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: eld on July 21, 2011, 06:44:23 AM
So you've never played any game or watched a movie that was not from your country?


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: Aloshi on July 21, 2011, 06:45:47 AM
I play pretty much all games with subtitles on, always watch TV with subtitles/captioning, and usually watch DVDs with subtitles on (often I forget, though). I think it's mostly habit, but I do find it's easier to read text than to listen to words for some reason. All of these apply to both things in my language and those in other languages.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: TeeGee on July 21, 2011, 06:49:39 AM
I'm not a native speaker. If I fail to catch what the characters are saying, because of accent or whatever, I still have subtitles to fall back on. That's why they are there. It makes it more convenient for people who are not from the USA or UK (yes, such people actually exist).


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: Zest on July 21, 2011, 07:15:42 AM
Quite frankly, not enough games have subtitles. It should be a standard like in film and television, so that we can accommodate gamers who are hard of hearing.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: J. Kyle Pittman on July 21, 2011, 07:43:18 AM
Many modern games are developed exclusively for surround sound, with no option to switch to basic stereo. If you don't have a full surround sound setup, spatialized sounds located behind the player may be muted. I can't count how many times I've had to turn on subtitles just so I can tell what the characters are saying.

I'm fully in favor of the trend of turning subtitles on by default.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: ThemsAllTook on July 21, 2011, 07:51:47 AM
do you guys watch movies in your native language with subtitles as well?

I used to have a lot of trouble picking out what people were saying in movies. Without subtitles on, I'd miss a LOT of the dialogue and not always be able to follow what was going on. I've gotten out of the habit these days and am now somewhat better at hearing words, but there are still times when I have to pause and rewind to replay a line several times before I can figure out what it is.

It does seem odd that games would turn on subtitles by default, but I can't say I've really noticed that.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: [RM8] on July 21, 2011, 08:36:15 AM
I'm not a native speaker. If I fail to catch what the characters are saying, because of accent or whatever, I still have subtitles to fall back on.

Same here.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: Thomas Finch on July 21, 2011, 09:15:03 AM
I have odd hearing and many, many times it's hard for me to hear what a character is saying. So, I love subtitles and always turn them on. I can understand why it would distract or bother other people, but I watch Japanese anime so I'm used to subtitles.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: Landshark RAWR on July 21, 2011, 09:23:33 AM
i like subtitles when other people in the room WONT SHUT THE HELL UP  :-X


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: C.A. Silbereisen on July 21, 2011, 09:44:35 AM
it's useful in games where you can walk around during cutscenes or where characters talk a lot during gameplay. i believe assassins creed has subtitles  off by default. i eventually had to turn them on. i missed a lot of dialog because i wasn't close enough to the speaking character to understand what they were saying.

also idk i dont find subtitles distracting at all and i live in a country where most foreign movies etc, are dubbed. im not
a big fan of animus and stuff either.  :shrug2:


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: Andy Wolff on July 21, 2011, 10:12:34 AM
Deafness runs in my family so I like watching everything with subtitles on. That way if I go deaf too, I'll be used to the subtitles already. Anyway I like subtitles and don't see why having an option for them would ever bother anyone. Just keep them off if you find them distracting


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: eld on July 21, 2011, 10:19:13 AM
I understand what subtitles are and why they're a necessary option. I've just always wondered why it's only popular in games and why it's almost always a default option.

So you've never played any game or watched a movie that was not from your country?

native language

I'm not talking about foreign languages, should have made that more clear.


Aaah, I thought you just meant native movies, not games aswell.

In that case: there are deaf people, and in my case: I have no problem with english, but in the midst of massive amount of other sound effects or if I'm playing some game late and have to keep the volume down, it helps a bunch to have subtitles.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: Tumetsu on July 21, 2011, 10:52:04 AM
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it doesn't bother me or anything; I get why they're there. again, just curious why it's default so often.
All games I have encountered seem to have subtitles turned off by default and also can be turned on only after first cutscenes which is sometimes annoying for non native speaker. As of the subtitles in general, I'm familiar with them since in Finland dubbing is usually thought worse and most of people prefer watching subtitled films rather than hearing (usually) bad voice acting byt their own language.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: biomechanic on July 21, 2011, 11:46:20 AM
I guess whether you see most of games as having subtitles on by default will depend on what kind of games you play. For me thats RTS and FPS (western AAA) and I usually have to turn them on.

Personally I'm all for subs, especially in dialogue/cutscene heavy games. I can read the whole badly written conversation in the timespan of one terribly voice acted line.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: TeeGee on July 21, 2011, 12:54:45 PM
All games I have encountered seem to have subtitles turned off by default and also can be turned on only after first cutscenes which is sometimes annoying for non native speaker.

Same here.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: Tumetsu on July 21, 2011, 12:57:52 PM
Something I have sometimes wondered is why these fine and dandy AAA+ games can't have settings/options menu in the main screen before actual gameplay. Sure, many of them have, but many do not, at least the PS3 games I have.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: PaleFox on July 21, 2011, 12:58:07 PM
Games have terrible voice acting and usually horrible writing. Why would I want to have to pay any attention to that?


Subtitles are so I can read the dialog quickly and then skip it.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: Daiz on July 21, 2011, 12:59:34 PM
I don't use subtitles if the spoken audio is in my native language (Finnish). Otherwise I always prefer to have subtitles for clarification. This leads to me basically playing all my games with subtitles on, and whenever they're not available (luckily very rarely) it's a large bummer. I was very disappointed to find out that the first Assassin's Creed didn't have subtitles, especially when near the start of the game you have to listen in on an conversation through an air vent and it was such mumbling that I couldn't make out basically anything from it.

I also always prefer to consume my foreign media in its original language with subtitles. Dubs can severely detract from the experience with their poor quality, and even if they're not horrible, they're basically always inferior to the original.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: Sakar on July 21, 2011, 01:27:18 PM
With games, I never use subtitles except in games like Mass Effect. They're annoying and get in the way of things, so I'd rather they not be there. I rarely miss what anyone is saying (largely due to me always playing it either really loud or wearing headphones).

For things outside of games that originate in a different language, like anime, I find it best to have subtitles because dubs are often terrible.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: SirNiko on July 21, 2011, 01:30:10 PM
I use subtitles to help me hear comments I might miss in games with weird dynamic sound effects that pan and fade when somebody walks away. Sometimes it's strangely difficult to put your character in the right position to hear what is being said.

It also helps if it is a game where the conversations may be important, like telling me where to go next, or providing a clue for a puzzle. This way I miss nothing.

I always turn on subtitles right away and leave them that way forever.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: capn.lee on July 21, 2011, 01:42:18 PM
I always though subtitles on by default was an ego thing.
"our story is way too good for anyone to miss"

unless we're talking flash games, at which point it's fair to assume there's a guy sat at work without speakers trying to play.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: johnnoz on July 21, 2011, 06:53:38 PM
Personally, I always use subtitles because most games have really, really shitty audio mixing.
Random lines of dialogue will be quieter than the rest, characters start talking when they're too far away, the game does that annoying thing where you can only hear people infront of you or SOMETHING.

It's not like all games have these problems, but it's way more common then it at all should be.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: Ashkin on July 21, 2011, 07:13:53 PM
I use subtitles because video games are so angsty that everyone mumbles


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: Dragonmaw on July 22, 2011, 10:23:22 AM
I'm hard of hearing so subtitles are greatly appreciated.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: dEnamed on July 22, 2011, 11:30:51 AM
Personally, I'm veeeeery picky when it comes to Voice Acting in Games. In my opinion, it's generally of bad quality and that's mainly for one single reason:

The Voice Actors are told to talk slow, overly pronounced and steady.  :facepalm:

This pisses me off to no end as it takes out all character. I can generally read out a line of dialogue two times before the game even gets close to finishing one sentence. You can neither convey emotions, nor can you build up suspense this way.
"Ruuuuun... foooor... your... lIves... the... wOOOorld... is... coooOOooming... to... an... end... if... we...". BLOODY SKIP ALREADY, ARGHARBL. I don't know, the slow talking pace just kills all the mood for me. Doesn't feel natural. Feels insulting too. Add in generally bad facial animation that makes even the most serious of characters look like they went to clown school and the fact I grew up on subtitles (well, dialogue as written text was the standard in old games :P) So ye, I activate it by default and skip large parts of dialogue the second I've read the subtitle.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: sonicblastoise on July 22, 2011, 11:38:01 AM
Because I usually play with the sound very low or off so as to not disturb neighboring rooms, or because I don't want to be totally unreachable in my little PC cave with headphones on.


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: ink.inc on July 22, 2011, 12:15:39 PM
subtitles because otherwise i have No Fucking Clue what anyone in Doctor Who is saying


Title: Re: subtitles
Post by: iffi on July 22, 2011, 12:26:31 PM
I always play games with subtitles on if they're available. I also watch TV with subtitles on, even though English is my first language and I don't have any hearing problems I know of. I just suck at listening, especially with a lot of background noise.