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except that in your thread "analyzes" can be read two ways :ninja:

dragonmaw, professional analrapist (combination analyst and therapist)

i'm not sure if i want to be first anymore. :concerned:

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rinku doesn't want me but at least i'll always have a safe haven in the arms of dragonmaw. RIGHT?  :-X

that's a very stern avatar you have there

vinegar what?

I will now attempt to analyze Dragonmaw.

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ok now you do me
(http://mlkshk.com/r/569G)

actually jstckr has all the steam games

http://steamcommunity.com/id/stiggah

whoa. forgot about that

Already done ???

hi

dragonmaw you once said i am boring. i dont want to be analyzed by the likes of you. also you put a penis on your skype and that was weird

hahaha what, i'm glad i missed that

 :biglaff:

i wanna be analyzed by dragonmaws furry penis

@TheLastBanana: Don't know you, can't really tell. You seem pretty average.

@Paul Eres: You're strange to the point of eccentricity and/or insanity. You purposefully poke at people to get a reaction and then backpedal so hard you phase through the goddamn walls. You argue endlessly about bullshit semantics and then simply lose interest. You've got a charm about you, though. On a scale of eccentricity, I'd say you are about a quarter of a Mesh. Weird, sometimes offensive, sometimes batshit retarded, but overall still understandable.

@boxedlunch: See TheLastBanana

@Manuel: You don't post a lot, at least in the clusterfuck threads that catch my eye, so I can't really get a good grasp on your personality. You seem to be pretty outspoken, but otherwise normal. Your sig indicates that you also laugh at Jon Blow, which is a fantastic thing.

@CA Sinclair: If I had to say anyone on the forum was a "music guru," it would be you. Honestly, I don't think I'd trust your views on a game nearly as much as other people, but if you were to talk about music, I'd shut up and listen. You also speak fluent English despite being a non-native speaker (right? aren't you from Germany?) which is definitely a nice change of pace from the likes of moi and neoshaman. You also back me up as a mod and tru broz stik 2geter

@Superb Joe: Funniest man on the forums. Also ruggedly handsome.

@MattG: You post too much about your game and how awesome you are and not enough about topics of actual interest. You're a nobody around here, and your spamming and general rude attitude isn't really ingratiating yourself with the regulars. I concur with Paul in that you are probably a narcissist. That being said, if you buckled down and said some things that didn't directly or indirectly point to how awesome you and your games are, I think you'd be a pretty cool guy to talk to.

Also your games suck. Sorry.

@Hangedman: You post lots of neat graffiti on Tumblr and you like ym friend Renard so you're pretty cool in my book! In all seriousness you seem like the average TIGer: mildly snarky, willing to talk about games, likes some pretty cool stuff.

@Gimmy: When you aren't being an idiot, you're alright. You seriously need to learn proper English though. Your posts are fucking TERRIBLE and dense and impossible to read because your grammar is so horrendous.

@Sakar: See TheLastBanana

@TMK: You aren't boring but you are never really around and you never play LoL with me or skype with us anymore so it's hard to get a good judge of your personality. You seem sassy. That's about it.

@Alevice: You seem to spend a lot of time in the Technical forum and don't really get dragged into the knuckleduster brawls in General or Games. That's a pretty good thing. Your avatar is slightly disconcerting and your posts are neither enlightening or offensive. They just... are.

i'll play league with you on skype if you promise never to put a penis on it again

Maybe he's actually just a penis and that is the only way he can express it. No one would believe that such a sentient penis exists. Must be very hard for him to flop around, trying to type. Imagine how much harder it is when he's, well, hard.

no im pretty sure he's a dragon, not a penis

I'll take it! :panda: :brofistR: :brofistL: :tiger:

If the internet has led me true, then those are not mutually exclusive things to be

I didn't know "maw" was slang for "penis". Thanks for the information!

@dragonmaw - interesting, i didn't ask for an analysis but i'll respond to it anyway

i don't believe i ever act to provoke reactions; instead i just both don't care what the reactions will be and say the same things regardless of what i expect the reaction to be (because of radical honesty) and also because i am usually unable to predict what they will be (due to low emotional intelligence). perhaps most people are better at predicting reactions than i am and can avoid people having bad reactions to what they say, or are more content to change how they act to get appropriate reactions

i also again deny that i ever argue about anything. i explain what i think about things, but absolutely do not seek to convince anyone that what i say is correct. i am content with others not agreeing with me, and would not want others to change their minds to agree with me. but it is true that i tend to use language extremely precisely: i seldom carelessly use a word, or use words figuratively rather than literally, and prefer to say something in a detailed way rather than in a vague way. this habit is largely due to people misunderstanding what i say unless i'm very very detailed, and even when i am detailed, a lot of the time they still misunderstand what i say (although less than if i did not make such efforts to be detailed)

also, side note, but regarding mesh, since you know him better than i do, i got the impression that most of his "eccentricity" was just to provoke reactions as well, rather than genuine. but if he is as you describe him, then i was mistaken in that regard. so perhaps it's an understandable thing when someone thinks that i act the way i do to get reactions: the reasoning probably goes "normal people don't act like that, therefore he's doing it intentionally, it's not natural or habitual". but it's only after long-term exposure to someone that you realize that the way they act really is natural or habitual, not deliberately done to get a reaction

Hello, Dragonmaw! If you're still conducting analyses, would you mind doing one of me? It's okay to be radically honest; your opinion matters to me! ...and i mean that seriously...it may sound weird but sometimes i have these extreme fits of paranoia, wondering if i'm being too annoying, if my avatar or signature turns people off, wondering whether i am just one of those posters with worthless opinions who is just cluttering the board needlessly and it kind of freaks me out because i just want to fit in guys...i want to be part of the magic...

Man, that is ANOTHER thing I didn't need to know.
Thanks, internet!

Analyze my face

"just one of those posters with worthless opinions who is just cluttering the board needlessly and it kind of freaks me out because i just want to fit in guys"

don't worry; being what you describe is exactly how to fit in with the rest of us

I wouldn't mind an analysis either.

Dr. Agonmaw is IN

@Dragonmaw, in your post with your reading of the board members, above, I think I see why you're the main mod here. The language was blunt but there was consideration for the person you addressed under the forthrightness. I respect that, just as I think you fundamentally respect other people.

This is a problematic combination especially for written conversations. Might I suggest you tempering your radical honesty with your self-awareness of your low emotional intelligence to limit said radical honesty to opinions of concepts rather than of or about people here?

Well, how about "I"?

Come at me with your radical honesty Dragonmaw, I can take it.

i don't recall ever giving people my opinions about them on this forum actually. i'm sure it's happened once or twice but offhand i can't think of any instances of this, except "joke instances" like my analysis of dragonmaw

that isn't how radical honesty works in any case, when you want to say something about someone you say it to them, not on a public forum. so what you describe is not "limiting" radical honesty, but the proper application of it

manuel why do you have a super joe avatar. i want answers and i want them at some point in the near to mid future, no hurry *bangs fists on table*

@dragonmaw you're full of shit and vinegar. What games of mine have you ever played????????? Stop putting dick pics on twitter you f'n kook.

i thought it was skype, not twitter -- he's doing it on twitter now too? hahaha

and yeah i don't see how he can judge mattg's games without playing them; have you played any dragonmaw?

Analyze me!

thats some fucked up shit. Im pretty sure he hasnt played any of my games and hes bashing them. Thats some fucking hate right there boy.

Also where did I say I was great? I'm dogshit piece of crap doing the best I can, Im not great. In my opening post for sketchbrawlers I think I clearly stated Im CRAZY not GREAT.

Was Skype (as a joke), not Twitter. Unless you count all that furry porn on tumblr... Matt is probably just confused.

Also I tried metal combat way back in 2007. It wasn't fun, barely ran, and was ugly as sin. I had it installed for 5 minutes before I deleted it.

Will analyze more when not on my phone.

ANALYZE THIS

..er. me.

The intro is longer than five minutes, it must have been your girlfriends reflection in the monitor during the fade in!

hahahah -- see that is why i like mattg, nobody else makes jokes like that

anyway i agree that 5 minutes is not long enough to judge a game by, but in fact i think i recall having a discussion with dragonmaw in irc where he disagreed with that; i think judging a game based on such a short time period is way too difficult to do accurately, but he's a professional (game journalist) so perhaps he's developed that skill further than i've been able to

Because I've trust on the FSA.
But why are you so concerned about Super Joe, Superb Joe. Seeing you talk like that almost makes me believe that you and him are the same person.

the great and binding brotherhood of joedom

5 minutes is an exaggeration. i don't remember the exact amount of time. it was relatively short.

as far as judging a game goes, it's the principle that if the game doesn't entertain you within the first portion, it's not worth playing. i can't think of any good game that is tedious or boring within the first section. the general rule of thumb is 1/8th of the game's overall play time. If the developers brag that their game is 40 hours long, and you aren't hooked or entertained by 5 hours in, it's a bad game. even if the endgame is amazing, nobody will reach it because the game doesn't have a strong hook.

for example, FFXIII is a bad game. because you are not hooked for a whopping 1/2 of the game. the first 20 hours or so are a linear trudge through corridors and a painfully slow tutorial. seriously. a 20 hour tutorial. what the flying fuck.

Dwarf Fortress, La Mulana, Europa Universalis, King's Field, most non-coffeebreak roguelikes and a lot of fighting games, pretty much any game with a learning curve. If I dismissed everything out of hand because I didn't immediately like it, I'd be missing out on a lot of great games, music, movies, books, food etc.

i actually like the beginning of DF the most, since there's very few things to keep track of and therefore it's really personal. same for all the paradox games (i usually play as a small power trying to become a superpower). never played king's field but i hear that the Souls series is a spiritual successor and if they are any indication then the first section is great. la mulana is never tedious or boring, it's just balls hard.

the basic gist of the games you just listed (from my personal experience) is that they aren't tedious or boring in the first section, they are hard. the hook is that they are extraordinarily difficult. that's not a problem.

it's not so much "immediately like it" and more "immediately dislike it." if i don't enjoy a game within a reasonable time frame, or the game takes too long to introduce new elements to me so it becomes stagnant and boring, it's not a good game. i don't need to play entirely through a 40 hour game if the first 5 hours is terrible. i don't care if the last 2 hours is incredible. it's simply not worth it if your game doesn't hook me from the start.

Generally I don't think that a person needs to spend any more time with a bad game than with a bad movie in order to make a judgement on it (about 2/3 hours should be enough to make a judgment with most games, though obviously it can vary in certain cases). No great game I've ever played makes you slog through hours of boring BS just to get to good parts scattered inbetween (La Mulana and Dwarf Fortress aren't boring at all, though I can't really say about the other two since I haven't played them yet.) Even if Superman 64 had the best 3D action game levels ever made at the end it would still be a bad game because of how much the shit before that drags it down. If it's a potentially good or great game from early on I think the person should beat the game or at least get substantially far into it before talking about it, though.

EDIT: oh yeah give me an analysis dragonmaw

@Dragonmaw: OK, I misinterpreted your definition of "first section." But idk, I still don't really have "fun" learning a good game with a steep learning curve. The real fun starts when I'm past the stage of grappling with the basic mechanics. I mentioned King's Field because that's a polarizing game a lot of people consider "tedious."

Also @Dragonmaw and DavidCaruso Re: Disliking things the first time: Keep in mind that your tastes aren't absolute and change all the time, especially when you're young (definition: under 30 for sake of argument).

And lastly, @DavidCaruso: I don't really judge games by how bad their bad aspects are, but how good their good aspects are. To run with your example: What if Superman 64's last couple of levels really WERE the best levels of all time (doubtful)? Idk about you, but I'd be willing to sit through a bunch of shit levels to experience the best levels ever created. I'd rather play one great level than 10 "good" levels.

well of course. i think you should always give games you disliked a while ago another try once you've matured a bit. some games, though, are just so stupendously horrendous that their suffering crosses all boundaries.

this really is a discussion for another thread. maybe i should start a thread on game journolisms

Okami have a pretty bad beginning and the latter stage are really the game

also the persona and shin megami tensei series in general, xenogears, planescape torment, 7th saga, secret of evermore, fallout 2 (the beginning of that game is horrendous), aquaria, and a bunch of others -- judging a rpg by the first 5 (or even the first 40) minutes doesn't make sense

although 2-3 hours is reasonable; i wouldn't play a game past 2-3 hours if i didn't like it unless i was reasonably sure it would get better

Maxis hear that and develop Spore with the interesting 2 phase beginning. the rest are...urgh...so so.

Hello. :eyebrows:

@Inanimate: You are a cool dude and a good mod. Not as good as me, but I'm the best there ever was, so...  8)

@Noah!: You can't possibly be annoying because you don't post often enough. You seem alright I suppose.

@Ashkin: I remember when you joined and were an annoying little brat. I'm glad you've since matured, and Mining Game looks pretty neat! You're still a little irritating from time to time, but out of all the little baby children that have been here, I'd say you are probably the one who has "progressed" the most.

@Theophilus: I always loved your avatar image; did you draw it? Besides that, not much to say. I think you were one of the people who supported me becoming a moderator, which is appreciated, and while you sometimes enter into the fights in General you are overall pretty chill.

@Kramlack: You are kind of annoying but I also don't see a lot of your posts (or care) so I guess you are okay.

@John Sandoval: You are an okay LoL player (even if you only play OP champs ;)) and your VS entry game is hella cool. You are a cool guy when not spending every waking moment playing Akali. Also, good avatar. In all seriousness, though, your posts have generally been quite good and even though you seem to be spending less time on the forums and posting I feel like you are one of the better posters around here.

@Tanner: I guess you are a dude that likes Adventure Time? Maybe. Who knows.

@peanutbuttershoes: Your chiptunes are hella good. Dunno anything else despite your status at level 9.

@DavidCaruso: I am under the impression that you are an icycalm follower, but I don't think I've seen anything from you regarding that so I don't really know why. Didn't you join around the ESB thread? IDK. As for your posts, they are intelligent, incisive, and eloquent. You make bad (good) jokes and I appreciate your input into the forum. Compared to most modern game enthusiasts around here (shig, eva, etc) you are a lot more willing to give indies a chance. I like that. I'd say that you are actually one of my favorite posters, even if I disagree with you, just because you tend to be a bit more forgiving and intelligent. Good show.

@Wade McGillis: You are a guy who posts, I guess. Not really notable.

Yoyo analyze me, the evil wizard in his magical Lamborghini

ANALISE ME. ARSIFY ME GOOD.

:nono:

Oh, I would like to be analyzed as well.

feed my ego, mawseph

Thanks, man. Joining near the ESB thread was a coincidence, and it was an acquired taste over time, but you could definitely say I'm a "follower" at this point. I'm not really a modern game "enthusiast;" there are still a few great games coming out every year and some genres are still advancing forward, but on the whole I feel like the industry has regressed since, say, a decade ago, and many of the games in my (stupidly huge and ever-growing) backlog are older titles. I can't say I really like the "indie" label/separation or some aspects the scene seems to have (stigma on being "derivative," heavily played-up "retro" games with infinite lives and checkpoints every 15 seconds, delusions of more creative control and "independent spirit," etc.), and I've been underwhelmed by most of the major titles I've played (though there are a few good/great ones), but it's pretty cool as an extension of the general amateur game dev community (which I think it's pretty much become the center of at this point, save specialized forums like the GMC or Daily Click). Even in terms of just talking about games or chatting with cool people I'll take this forum over NeoGAF or GameFAQs or whatever any day.

I realized where your opinions are coming from a long time ago, but I'm cool with it because you speak for yourself instead of just regurgigating what Zirbas says.

B-but I didn't even post here. Thanks for the compliments, anyways. I definitely am not as good of a mod as you two, either. It's hard to keep up! (And I'm obviously not as mature)

I will join this trainwreck.

I am ready to be analraped.

Yzed.

Aw, shucks. I'm glad I'm not as annoying as I used to be.

Analyze me!  I know it'll be about the same as Wade McGillis', but who cares.

dragonmaw says i'm chill.

THAT MEANS I'M BETTER THAN YOU

i had no idea you even read icycalm but i don't really pay attention to stuff like that

also i agree with this post, but with one exception: i don't think you can call it a delusion that indies have more creative freedom if the vast majority of people who quit the industry to form their own indie companies say they did it for creative freedom (there was a thread about a poll on this)

of course the same amount of creativity is possible in either setting, it's just that the creative decisions are restricted to a few people the larger the team size is, so those in a large team who are not in the higher ranks in a game company would have less freedom than the director of that team (e.g. hideo kojima has creative freedom, but the guy coding the animations for the snakes in snake eater eater does not have as much)

only a small percent of indies are ex-industry (probably around 15%), but a disproportionate number of successful indie games are made by ex-industry people

Even for a designer who would be lower rank than kojima, 'industry' vs 'indie' is a trade off between types of freedom: industry adds the constraint of needing to satisfy more bosses/customers/etc, but removes some resource constraints.  Whether that's a win or a loss just depends on what it is you want to accomplish -- you could plausibly transition either way for 'more freedom' (meaning less design constraints)

I agree on everything, except on browsing on Technical, specially since I browse creative boards more.

Most commercial industry games I've enjoyed recently were made by smaller developers without a fixed publishing deal, such as From Software, Treasure and Cave.  
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In terms of "indie" games, I highly doubt the most recent ones I've played, namely Frozen Synapse, ADOM and Dwarf Fortress, could ever come out of the mainstream industry as it currently is.

All right let's do this shit dawg. F'real.

i wouldn't mind being analysed, you know, if you're not busy or anything.

14113, Y U BRITISH?

um, because I am, sorry if that bothers you, I'll try not to next time.

This thread is funny. Dragonmaw lets meet up and analyze each other over drinks and document it for the thread.  :toastL::noir:

Ok. Analyze what I say-

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Cant think of anything.

we are the threadkillers.  ;D:brofistL::brofistR:;D

Alright, anal ice me Dragonmaw.  I double dog dare y- NO, I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU.