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Title: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: deadeye on September 25, 2008, 10:05:41 PM Jack Thompson Disbarred (http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/09/jack-thompson-d.html)
Quote Jack Thompson, a controversial crusader against violence in games, will be permanently disbarred as of October 25, reports GamePolitics. In handing down its decision, the Florida Supreme Court cited Thompson's extensive history of public misconduct, along with recommendations from Judge Dava Tunis, the official who presided over Thompson's 2007 ethics trial. Along with disbarring Thompson, the official court order also demands monetary restitution of $43,675. In response, Thompson has filed a request with the U.S. District Court seeking an emergency stay of the Florida Supreme Court's decision, as well as publishing a press release that claims the Court's decision is "in retaliation for Thompson’s Tyndale House book Out of Harm’s Way, published in 2005, which blew the whistle on the Florida Supreme Court’s earlier efforts in the 1990’s to literally pathologize his faith-based and successful activism against the American entertainment industry." Truly a cause for celebration :beer: Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Hideous on September 25, 2008, 10:13:28 PM This is gonna be a great birthday present! :beer:
Well, two days late, but still. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Renton on September 25, 2008, 10:51:25 PM Right on my birthday, too :beer:
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: deadeye on September 26, 2008, 12:24:48 AM Who else thinks that this will be just a minor setback in JT's crusade? I'm willing to bet he's going to use the resulting media coverage to his advantage somehow.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: moi on September 26, 2008, 12:28:31 AM Maybe he'll go on a shooting rampage? maybe someone will blame video games?
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: ChevyRay on September 26, 2008, 12:56:23 AM Maybe he'll go on a shooting rampage? maybe someone will blame video games? :DBut seriously, can anybody explain to me what the hell that article is saying? I don't speak Law. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: kyn on September 26, 2008, 01:02:24 AM I kind of feel bad for him.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: deadeye on September 26, 2008, 01:22:46 AM But seriously, can anybody explain to me what the hell that article is saying? I don't speak Law. Jack gets disbarred for being a crazypants and all around general douchebag, then responds by claiming he's a victim of prejudice because God told him he has to save the country from the evils of rap music and video games. Uh, sort of. Close enough. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Cerogravian on September 26, 2008, 03:07:41 AM This demands a beercheer! :beer:
...Even though yeah, it'll probably just be a minor setback for him, it's very good that the supreme court not only realises but also reacts to his douchebaggery, and his crazy pants as well. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: lordmetroid on September 26, 2008, 03:13:30 AM He was disbarred cause he found out that some of the court officers such as judges and so on hadn't even taken the oath of office and hence is fraudulently acting as judges.
The judges can't have such a troublemaker around so they disbarred him. His crusade against video games is repugnant but on this issue he actually is right. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: narasu on September 26, 2008, 05:25:51 AM I'm OK.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: dmoonfire on September 26, 2008, 06:15:26 AM He was also disbarred for acting like a bad lawyer, not following the rules of engagement (i.e. talking to the opponent's customers directly instead of through the lawyer), constantly raising issues, overwhelming judges with piecemeal information even when asked not to, violating court orders, and basically being a dick as a lawyer.
The legal thing above basically just lists what behavior that resulted in the recommendation for permanent disbarment (as opposed to the temporary of the original request) and that he is not allowed to file anything on his behalf to avoid this. That is important since he's been sending things nearly constantly back to the judge but no other Florida lawyer in their right mind would file those papers for him, so they are being circular bin'd. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: jstckr on September 26, 2008, 07:10:37 AM I kind of feel bad for him. So do I. Can't really join in on the cynical "haha!" chants. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: moi on September 26, 2008, 07:13:10 AM Also he liked to present his court documents with lots of violent an pornographic images inserted in the text for no valid reason.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Craig Stern on September 26, 2008, 07:26:55 AM I'm in law school, allow me to translate: he can no longer practice law in Florida, and cannot reapply to practice law in Florida at some later date. The opinion explains why: he kept wasting the court's time and resources with motions and filings that had no substance to them, he violated a court order, he lied in his filings, and he went out of his way to intimidate, harass, and publicly embarrass the people he was opposing in his lawsuits.
Simpler translation: he was a dickhead, so now he doesn't get to be a lawyer anymore. The moral: if you're a lawyer, play nice with your state supreme court, because they have the power to disbar your ass pretty much at will. :gentleman: Oh snap, I just noticed this: Quote Judgment is entered for The Florida Bar, 651 East Jefferson Street, Tallahassee, Florida 32399-2300, for recovery of costs from John Bruce Thompson in the amount of $43,675.35, for which sum let execution issue. The judges ordered him to pay the Florida Bar's cost of going to court and getting him disbarred. Ouch. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Melly on September 26, 2008, 08:56:42 AM I kind of feel bad for him. So do I. Can't really join in on the cynical "haha!" chants. I can. And I do it with pride. Something horrible like the Virginia Tech shooting happens, and what does he do? Mocks the memory of the victims and the suffering of their families by using the event in his own personal crusade to enhance his impotent law-penis among the soccer-moms. Jack Thompson can go to hell. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Dragonmaw on September 26, 2008, 10:28:09 AM I'm honestly sad he was disbarred. His court filings were a source of constant entertainment for me. Say what you will about the man, but I always found him to be a harmless kook. In much the same way that a church figure might complain about how rock music is made to encourage devil worship, his statements are blatantly false and anyone with a modicum of intelligence realize that he's batshit insane.
That being said, his disbarrment was necessary, if sad. One has to move past the culture critics to gain widespread acceptance of your medium. But can you seriously look me in the face and tell me that Jack Thompson has had any effect on gaming in culture other than making himself (and by extension, Fox news) into a laughingstock? Fare thee well, Jack. You believed in what you thought was right and fought for it. Even if you were on the wrong side and chose incredibly funny ways to do your fight. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Μarkham on September 26, 2008, 11:42:44 AM I find it hard to feel sorry for someone who promises to donate $10,000 to a charity if someone creates the wacky game you describe and then claim that it was all a joke when someone actually does it. I find it even more difficult since Jack Thompson attempted to have the Penny Arcade guys arrested after they donated the $10,000 that Jack wouldn't.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Dreamerdude26 on September 26, 2008, 05:00:38 PM I'm so happy. Although there will be others that will come and take his place, we can at least bask in his demise on this day.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Garthy on September 26, 2008, 06:20:11 PM Good 'ol JT hasn't shown much respect for past judgments. I can't see him getting this one and saying: "Hey, now that I think about it, I have been acting like an ass. I really should chill a bit." He'll probably do his usual, file documents he's not entitled to file, make a public spectacle of himself, and cry "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!" when they're thrown out. He'll attack the people responsible for enforcing the judgments, question their authority to pass judgment on him, and make enough noise to make sure the media keeps lapping it up. In time he'll probably pick it all up again via a proxy.
So never fear, his antics are far from over. :) Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: KennEH! on September 26, 2008, 08:00:20 PM I really hope this slows him down. I'm pretty sure it won't stop him, as long as he can breed there will be problems.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Garthy on September 26, 2008, 09:10:27 PM Markham, yeah, I remember that. It was pretty good of the PA guys to step up when JT turned out to be blowing his usual smoke.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: ஒழுக்கின்மை on September 26, 2008, 09:28:58 PM Jack was kind of a joke, no real danger to game development.
Senator Lieberman on the other hand is much more dangerous -- one of his proposed bills (it didn't pass, but I'm sure he'll try to get it passed again) would make it illegal to sell or even distribute games to a minor unless they've been rated by the ESRB. Which would kind of destroy indie gaming, at least in the US. It still might pass. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: deadeye on September 26, 2008, 09:42:56 PM How would that affect online games? I mean, considering this: "Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB."
Also, how does one go about getting an ESRB rating anyway? The ESRB website doesn't describe the process unless you are a member, and you can't be a member without submitting your company's game for a rating. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Garthy on September 26, 2008, 09:49:07 PM Quote The ESRB website doesn't describe the process unless you are a member, and you can't be a member without submitting your company's game for a rating. Welcome to beauracracy. ;) Kinda like NEIS (a small business support scheme) in Australia. To be eligible, you have to have a source of funds for the business and be otherwise eligible for unemployment benefits. To be eligible for unemployment benefits, you can't have a source of funds, because that wipes out your benefits. Need to be creative. ;) Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Garthy on September 26, 2008, 10:02:58 PM rinkuhero, that's one scary bill. I was going to ask how many under-18s have credit cards, so couldn't they just ask their parents to get it for them- but then, what about pre-purchase demos and freeware? Quite worrying.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: deadeye on September 26, 2008, 10:04:43 PM rinkuhero is about to make a post!
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: ஒழுக்கின்மை on September 26, 2008, 10:05:42 PM How would that affect online games? I mean, considering this: "Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB." Also, how does one go about getting an ESRB rating anyway? The ESRB website doesn't describe the process unless you are a member, and you can't be a member without submitting your company's game for a rating. If the bill had passed the ESRB would probably just change that guideline. The rating process is kind of weird: from what I've heard, the people rating your game don't actually play your game, instead, you are required to send them 20 hours or so of video footage from your game (as well as about $10,000), as well as what rating you wish to have for your game. If the content in that 20 hour video doesn't exceed the rating you want, you get the rating. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: ஒழுக்கின்மை on September 26, 2008, 10:06:11 PM Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: deadeye on September 26, 2008, 10:11:45 PM If the bill had passed the ESRB would probably just change that guideline. The rating process is kind of weird: from what I've heard, the people rating your game don't actually play your game, instead, you are required to send them 20 hours or so of video footage from your game (as well as about $10,000), as well as what rating you wish to have for your game. If the content in that 20 hour video doesn't exceed the rating you want, you get the rating. Ah, yes. I had a feeling it involved thousands of dollars somehow. That would pretty much mean small-time indie devs would be dead in the water :( Also, I don't see how the ESRB could change that guidline... there's no way of ensuring that online play won't expose the player to profanity, etc. Unless the bill has a special provision for this they could just stick it hard to online games as well. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: ஒழுக்கின்மை on September 26, 2008, 10:15:21 PM Oh, I thought that guideline meant that they won't rate games only intended for online sale as opposed to sale in stores, whereas it actually means that it can't judge "online content" because people can always swear at you in Starcraft even if it has a T rating.
I don't think that rule would need to change, and it's not really relevant to the bill. Minors would still be able to buy T or E rated games with online content that can contain things that a parent could object to. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: ஒழுக்கின்மை on September 26, 2008, 10:18:13 PM Interestingly, even Jack Thompson disagreed with Lieberman's bill, calling it unconstitutional: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051212-5740.html
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Zaphos on September 26, 2008, 10:26:03 PM Which would kind of destroy indie gaming, at least in the US. It still might pass. If this did happen, could developers just put at little age barrier thing ("you must tell us your birthday to access this game ...") before the game download? That seems to be the (idiotic) industry standard currently, anyway.I'm not too worried 'cause even if it does pass, there's a good chance it'll be recognized as not constitutional, but yeah, scary all the same. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: ஒழுக்கின்மை on September 26, 2008, 10:27:34 PM That would probably work, a lot of forums do that with being age 13 now -- it's illegal to use forums, myspace, etc., if you're under 13.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Cheater‽ on September 27, 2008, 02:26:04 AM Interestingly, even Jack Thompson disagreed with Lieberman's bill, calling it unconstitutional: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051212-5740.html Yeah. Jack might be nuts, but there are worse. See also: Fox News, Mass Effect. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Smithy on September 27, 2008, 10:02:09 AM I am Jack Thompson.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: PandaCookies on September 27, 2008, 10:21:35 AM I am Jack Thompson. I am Jack Thompson.Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: policedanceclub on September 27, 2008, 10:22:09 AM I am a jack thompson.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Tanner on September 27, 2008, 11:13:47 AM I am Jack Thompson.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Cymon on September 27, 2008, 01:42:56 PM I am Sparticu...er, Jack Johnson..er Curious George... Jason Mr.. Colby Cal.. DANG IT!
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: deadeye on September 27, 2008, 02:20:25 PM Hi. I'm Jack Thompson, and I've been reduced to a stereotype.
I'm Jack Thompson, and I study genes. And I design jeans. I have a beard. I'm Jack Thompson, and I sell fish. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Valter on September 27, 2008, 02:27:15 PM Hello, everyone. I'm Jack Thompson, and I have diabetes.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Renton on September 27, 2008, 02:34:03 PM Hi. I'm Jack Thompson, and I have a drinking problem.
Hello. My name is Jack Thompson. You killed my father. Prepare to die. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Seth on September 27, 2008, 02:42:42 PM Buenos dias. Me llamo Juan Thompson.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Saker on September 27, 2008, 03:04:43 PM Buenos dias. Me llamo Juan Thompson. Italiano ?? يخربيت هبلكو .... انا الحاج سمبثون ... >:D Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: kyn on September 27, 2008, 03:16:28 PM ¡No, es español!
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Smithy on September 27, 2008, 04:32:22 PM All you fucking gamers better stop copying me.
Jack Thompson is the master chief. I am the master chief. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Valter on September 27, 2008, 04:35:18 PM I am the master chief.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Tanner on September 27, 2008, 04:57:33 PM I am the master chief.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Caio on September 27, 2008, 05:07:38 PM Guys. I think it would be nice if you tried to stay at least slightly on topic. :wtf:
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: KennEH! on September 27, 2008, 05:07:51 PM I really do have diabetes. :'(
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: PandaCookies on September 27, 2008, 05:16:05 PM Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: deadeye on September 27, 2008, 05:19:55 PM Guys. I think it would be nice if you tried to stay at least slightly on topic. :wtf: My thread... my beautiful thread :wtf: Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Μarkham on September 27, 2008, 05:46:59 PM My thread... my beautiful thread :wtf: Your thread has diabetes. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Smithy on September 27, 2008, 05:54:19 PM I injected spam into it, it bloated up and died.
Just like Jack Thompson. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Tanner on September 27, 2008, 06:07:16 PM I injected spam into it, it bloated up and died. But you're Jack Thompson!Just like Jack Thompson. D: Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Valter on September 27, 2008, 06:18:08 PM Jack Thompson refers to himself in the third person, as he shall soon be royalty above us all.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Tanner on September 27, 2008, 06:51:34 PM Oh yeah, well The King of All Cosmos and sometimes Gainsworthy speak in third-person plural.
Hot Wheels. BEAT THAT! Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: PandaCookies on September 27, 2008, 06:53:05 PM So, uh, what's stopping him practicing law in another state? Jack Thompson can't leave Florida because he has to work on his tan... it makes perfect sense. :-X Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Zaphos on September 27, 2008, 09:16:13 PM So, uh, what's stopping him practicing law in another state? Quote from: Wikipedia In the United States legal system, disbarment is specific to regions; one can be disbarred from some courts, while still being a member of the bar in another jurisdiction. However, under the American Bar Association's Model Rules of Professional Conduct, which have been adopted in most states, disbarment in one state or court is grounds for disbarment in a jurisdiction which has adopted the Model Rules. So ... maybe he can still be a laywer in maine or california or something? But not in most states, it seems.Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Renton on September 27, 2008, 10:45:18 PM So ... maybe he can still be a laywer in maine or california or something? I think he'd have to re-enter the bar exam.Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Smithy on September 27, 2008, 11:39:08 PM I injected spam into it, it bloated up and died. But you're Jack Thompson!Just like Jack Thompson. D: Quote from: Cordwainer Smith, one of the great poets and writers of the 20th century, God. Damn. Spam. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: PandaCookies on September 28, 2008, 06:42:17 AM So ... maybe he can still be a laywer in maine or california or something? I think he'd have to re-enter the bar exam.you're right. Each state you need a separate license. Each state has a bar exam and you have to pass it to obtain your license. Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Cerogravian on September 28, 2008, 07:04:05 AM "he can no longer practice law in Florida, and cannot reapply to practice law in Florida at some later date. "
But seeing as he cannot reapply in Florida, it would make sense that he can't retake the bar in the states that wouldn't let him practice because of the Florida disbarredment (under these 'model rules') as well, no? :-\ Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Valter on September 28, 2008, 07:56:44 AM The main problem is that getting disbarred basically is a black mark on your permanent record. I doubt any other state would hire him now that he's been disbarred once.
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Melly on September 28, 2008, 07:57:30 AM I say we party. ;D
Title: Re: So long, Jack... we hardly knew ye. Post by: Craig Stern on September 28, 2008, 08:30:01 AM So ... maybe he can still be a laywer in maine or california or something? I think he'd have to re-enter the bar exam.Right. And passing the bar in any state is a huge, huge, HUGE pain the butt. That goes double for California, which has a less than 50% bar passage rate. >:D |