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as the title says,
I am looking for tactical games, I suppose what I mean with that is games:

-that are turnbased
-where you command more then one unit
-where you can win battles by positioning smart.

perhabs I have my definitions wrong, and I might also be interrested in more realtime things.

game that I found
-xcom
-final fantasy tactics

do you know of more examples ?

How about

- Advance Wars
- Rebelstar
- Fire Emblem

You have to play Frozen Synapse, indie, awesome and plays really nice. Check it out

That's at least two entire genres you're describing.

Turn-based strategy: The general term used for games where you generally create units (tanks/infantry/artillery) from factories and move each of them once per turn, trying to destroy your enemy's forces, reach a specific area or capture a specific building. Advance Wars games are very much recommended for beginners in this genre.

SRPG/Tactical RPG: A combination of TBS and RPG, where you have a bunch of characters which can level up, learn skills, use items, etc, instead of creating units during battle. Final Fantasy Tactics is a notable example (if you haven't played them all, there's a PSX one with a PSP remake, a GBA game and a DS game). Fire Emblem is also very popular.

I'm not all that familiar with either genre, but I can list some I've played or heard of:

TBS:
-Nintendo Wars series (Famicom Wars, Super Famicom Wars, Gameboy Wars 1-3, Advance Wars 1-2, Advance Wars DS, Advance Wars: Days of Ruin)
-Nectaris/Military Madness (no unit creation, positioning is EXTREMELY important, more complex than the Wars series) (I've only played the original [Turbografx], not sure if this applies to future versions)
-Daisenryaku (Never played this one, but apparently it's really complicated. First game was released before Famicom Wars; possibly the origin of the genre?)
-Gadget Trial (your units are now moe little girls)

SRPG:
-Final Fantasy Tactics (original for PSX, remake 'War of the Lions' for PSP, 'Advance' for GBA, 'A2' for DS)
-Fire Emblem (one of the earliest (the earliest?) examples, original is for NES but has tons of sequels. Very popular, but I've never played it)
-Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor (SMT as an SRPG. If you've never played any SMT games, pretend it's sort of like an SRPG Pokemon where you buy Pokemon instead of catching them)
-A lot (http://vndb.org/v3) of story-heavy (http://vndb.org/v238) Japanese 18+ (http://vndb.org/v74) games (http://vndb.org/v26). There's also many such games that are just 18+ without a major focus on story, but I don't know specific titles for that.

Jagged Alliance
Fallout Tactics
Greed Corp
Fracas
Syndicate IIRC
Battle for Wesnoth

http://www.tbstactics.com/p/standalone-page.html

wowzers,
Thanks for all the pointers guys.

I started looking playthroughs from the top, I am stuck at frozen synapse;  it looks great indeed, like xcom enemy unknown without the pointless stuff and many different gamemodes very cool...

somany more to watch  :o

Heretic! :mockangry:

 ;)
didn't mean to offend you but,
well you know, cinematics are cool, but gameplay  I like it better ?

Hehe, I know what you mean. I just really, really like XCom.

I haven't played the new one (I only watched/listened quite alot of let's plays)
In the new one I do have the feeling it's not as strategic as the original one, I mean in the end all games play out sort of the same ?

I might be wrong but what's your take on that (as a fan) ?

New X-Com is way simplified compared to the old, but its also a console game.

Yeah, it's a console game and a lot more streamlined. On the surface, it's very different from the original, but when I play it, I get the exact same feeling as I did when playing the original. It kinda feels like a really excellent screen adaptation of your favorite book; they've managed to make something that's true to the spirit and feel of the original while still cutting out a bunch of stuff.

www.mysteriouscastle.com

Flotilla can be pretty fun, it's basically ALL positioning.

Civilization V is a fun game. I really enjoy the franchise in general.

So I've been watching quite alot of youtube video's  thanks for all the pointers guys.

I think I know better now what I am looking for.

I've been most amazed by frozen synapse, is their take on turnbased games very original or are there more games out there that have you order all your units in one turn, commit the turn and see how it pans out, while at that moment your opponent is doing new stuff too ?

because the other ones (jagged alliance, the advance wars, fallout tactics) feel alot slower in comparison. (cool though but slower)


what I mean is :

you play in turns, but instead of reacting to the last turn of your opponent you instead plan a turn and commit it (and hope your opponent is not being smarter then you at that moment)
 

I haven't seen any other games that do that. That might just be a matter of me not knowing enough strategy games, though.

Fog of War can have a similar effect, though; in games like Advance Wars you can choose to enable Fog of War (or when playing campaign, you just get it in certain missions), and like with RTS games, you will only fully see the area surrounding your units. This generally means the majority of the enemy's units are invisible to you and you just have to guess at what they're doing over there, not finding out until you attack. This also extends to forest and reef tiles even close to your own units, so unless you're standing right next to them you might suddenly find enemy units in unexpected places, sneaking past your forces or preparing an ambush.

All of it still remains completely turn-based, but you don't have the perfect information you otherwise have with TBS games. (This sometimes creates pretty unique gameplay situations unlike normal TBS or Frozen Synapse, especially if artillery is involved - being slaughtered from an unknown location is a real nightmare.)