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I was sitting at school, working for my projects and a few meters away from me, a girl disguised as a student tried to assassinate the ex-Minister of Justice(who was an instructor at our school) via suicide bombing. She pulled the pin, but the bomb failed and the ignition system blew in her face instead. A few minutes later another suicide bomber was caught. The thing happened just a few meters away from me. It was horrifying. I later learned that the girl had enough explosives on her to blow the whole building. I feel like crap.
Here's a news article: http://haber.turk.net/ENG/2266902/-GEN--FORMER-JUSTICE-MINISTER-IN-TURKEY-ESCAPES-ASSASSINATION-ATTEMPT

and a more expansive one in turkish: http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/11539343.asp?gid=229

I can't stop shaking

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Holy fucking god damn shit fuck. Sorry mate.

This really really sucks. Thankfully I'm graduating in two weeks and coming to Baltimore. Fuck Baltimore's crime rate, if not for the miss-assembled fuse of that bomb, I wouldn't be here right now. God I hate my country at times. I always hear about this shit but having it happen right before my eyes was horrible.

:o good thing nobody got hurt...:o wow...

That's insane. I can't imagine how you feel.
I'm happy you're alive!

Holy freaking crap- it's a good thing that she was caught, but damn.

Can't think of another way to put it. That's beyond awful. I hope it doesn't affect you for too long. Good to hear you're moving, too.

I totally feel you. I'm in Ankara University and (though I can't really compare it to a bomb attack) there's always some fighting. With gas canisters. And blades. How they sneak that stuff in, I'll never know.

My girlfriend and I almost got killed by a falling roof tile (one huge and heavy damn thing) the other day; nowhere near as traumatic and insane as what you experienced, but I can vaguely imagine how it feels.

Try seeing the positive side, I guess - you could have died, but you didn't. You're still here.

Whoa! I'm so sorry...

What the fuck is going on in Turkey anyways? It seems to be so weird...

Nothing is going on here. It's not like we're in a civil war. Shit like this happens sometimes.

Dude, we should, like meet up or collaborate somehow.

By the way, some friends came over to my place, and we're talking about it. We're better now, thanks guys.

At least you're alive. A lot worse things could've happened, no?

Kurds, it seems. Or was that Armenians? In either case, they're not too happy with Turks. That happens when you slaughter a whole bunch of people and then deny it for decades.

At least no one was physically hurt. Still scary as hell, though.

Glad to hear nothing bad happened to you. I can imagine how traumatizing it could be, to stare at death as it passes right by you.

Comes to show that you never know when or how it could happen.

Holy shit guy. Now, you should take advantage of life like a madman. :beer:

Whoa! Well, congratulations on still being alive and everything ;D

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That sucks.

Live life to the FULLEST -- because in a parallel dimension, that bomb went off.

Jesus Christ.

Stay safe!

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Game inspiration?

Well the people who did that were the ancestors of Turks, not actual Turks, so we have nothing to answer to.



Cheater, that might be a good idea once I feel better.

Nonetheless, the Turkish government still officially denies it happened, from what I gather. That itself is harmful. And the attitude that you have nothing to answer to itself is harmful (it's like saying: well, my ancestors enslaved the blacks, but not me! it's not my fault!) It's like how Japan for years didn't admit the massacre in Nanking, even banning mention of it in history books. I may be biased because I am partially Armenian, though (my grandmother on my mother's side).

But I don't actually think this attack is related. From the story, it seems to be related to something that happened in a prison where several inmates and guards were killed. So I don't think it's related to ethnic cleansing or anything -- as far as I know there are no real Armenian terrorists.

Yes. Let's stick to the attack and nayon's survival and not start political bickering (I'm looking at you two, Mipey and nayon).

What I recommend about stressful/shocking situations like this based on what I know of post-traumatic stress studies is just not to think about it. Dwelling on it usually does more harm than good, since it cements the images in your memory and causes their recurrence/re-emergence more than would happen otherwise. Which may be an unavoidable process, but best not to help it along.

Glad to hear you're safe.

I've never understood how  anyone, not matter how they've been wronged, could take out their anger on innocent strangers :(

Well, to be fair, the terrorist wasn't *aiming* at kids in a school, she was aiming at the government minister, who isn't exactly an innocent.

In fact, I don't think she should be called a terrorist at all. An assassin, yes.

What I recommend is lots of hugs.

I believe the attack was about an Operation Resurrection, which ironically led to the deaths of 32 people on hunger strikes protesting F type prisons. In F type prisons. The guy they attempted to kill was the one who organized the operation.

I don't care who her target was. She would have killed other people who had nothing to do with this.

Can you be sure of that? Was she actually planning on blowing up the whole school, or just that one particular person?

I think she had enough to blow up the entire school. And there were two of them. I'm not defending their actions, I'm just pointing out the motive.

That's a story for the kids.

Yeah there were enough explosives to blow up the whole place. Well the political thing is not my issue anyway, and it's not the point.

I for one know that I did nothing wrong and I would've died there. Same applies to my friends. So the act was wrong. And even if the guy she tried to kill was evil, it was still wrong.

Well we're okay now, but I'm a little bit afraid to go to school to be honest, because there was apparently a third accomplice who is presumably hiding somewhere.

And by the way, wiki:
"Terrorism is, most simply, policy intended to intimidate or cause terror.[1] It is more commonly understood as an act which (1) is intended to create fear (terror), (2) is perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a materialistic goal or a lone attack), and (3) deliberately targets (or disregards the safety of) non-combatants."

Number 3 says it's terrorism.

Giving not thought to collateral damage like that is pretty bad.  Also it's more than likely the collateral damage is encouraged, which really pushes things into "terrorist" territory.

Glad you didn't die, man.

It was an irrational and unjustifiable act. End of story.

By definition (3), though, pretty much every nation is a terrorist nation, since every nation has targeted non-combatants in wars. For instance, in the US, we used the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and firebombed the civilian population of Tokyo (which actually killed far more people than the two atomic bombs did, since their houses were largely made out of wood). I'm not saying collateral damage is justified, just saying that if you're going to call this person a terrorist because they may have killed some people as a side effect of trying to kill a particular person, you should also call most governments terrorists for killing innocents as a side effects of trying to kill particular people.

I'd say that A) The difference is INTENT as well as consideration given to the accidental deaths, and B) there's clearly cases where you could call government actions terrorism.  There's a great book on this by Caleb Carr, but I forget the title.

God, look. Sometimes, you need to resist the temptation to turn everything into a philosophipolitical discussion.

How is this discussion philosophical? We haven't gotten into metaphysics or epistemology or anything. It's just a discussion of whether or not this person is a terrorist.

I agree that intent is a consideration in a sense, but in another sense results matter more than intent. We also don't actually know what the assassin/terrorist's intent was.

I think any kind of killing with an agenda is terrorism, whether it's bombing the target along with a school full of people or shooting the target in public or slitting the throat when the target is lonely at night. Because it's basically a message to the people that says "Do something against our will and this will happen to you."

What if it's someone who has been oppressing you and making your life a living hell? Self-defense is just as much of an agenda.

What is an F type prison?

Exactly. Self-defense necessarily creates terrorism, because force almost always entails some form of collateral damage.

I don't care if it's terrorist or assassin, retard seems pretty accurate to me.

Put it this way: if this was real life and Nayon had come up and told you his story, would you have responded by drawing everyone in the area into discussing whether or not the would-be attackers were really terrorists?

Yes. What one might call a revolution, other will call terrorism. Depends on who is giving and who is receiving the terror. I call it terrorism regardless.
Quoted for truth.
Yes.

Okay. Maybe a week later.

No, I would get him drunk.

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Damn man, good that the bomb fused.



Try to make yourself better by either playing counterstrike or having sex. Of both. At the same time. That will definitely make you feel better.

:D:D Well I hate counter-strike, but I'll play something else instead, I don't know.


Guys, get real. If you saw that shit go down with your own eyes, I don't think you'd be debating whether it was terrorism or not. You'd just be cowering in terror, like I did. That's all. And I'm not ashamed to admit it, because I'm human.

I would have loved to post a seven page rant about terrorism, but I didn't nearly get blown up.

so, I'll just say that that was definitely a near-terrorist attack, and I'm glad that it didn't work and the lives of dozens and potentially hundreds of innocents were saved.

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Glad it didnt go down as planned, would've been tragic. 

Stay safe, personally I wouldn't go to school for the next few days or at least until they find that third person.  You never know what desperate people might do.  I would hope the school sees that as well.

I'm glad you're okay, nayon.  And the rest of your school too.

Oh, wow. :o That's intense, man. I'm really glad you (and your schoolmates) didn't get hurt.

Also: what kind of psychopath tries to blow up an entire building full of people just to kill one person? That's just mind-boggling to me. (Mind you, I can't imagine myself killing someone under almost any circumstances, but that just seems especially cowardly and sadistic.)

Since I have not been in any situation anywhere like this my deafult inpulse is to shut the fuck up while being as supportive as I can.

Nayon haven't done anything wrong, even though his government maybe has and maybe is. To talk about whether this is terrorism will do nothing for him, since from a personal perspective this is the whole story: I didn't do anything and I was nearly blown up. Hope you're ok Nayon, and remember that it has none at all relevance if this was terrorism or not, still bad.

Now I'll stfu.

I wouldn't exactly advise him to play the "de_"-maps.  :-\


...it's good to hear that you're still alive, nayon.   :handthumbsupL: :tiger: :handthumbsupR:

Woah dude, that's insane. Greatness abounds in the lack of injuries sustained and death begotten. Wonderful living, happiness is had.

word.


Also, why does it matter. People could have died. People did not die. Lettuce rejoice in the lack of death and abundance of life continued. Screw the semantics.

Kind of the whole point I mentioned CS.

This is fucked.

I'm glad you're alive.
Are you getting counselling?

Holy fucking shit.
Man, that's scary as hell. Even though I don't really know you, I'm so relieved that no innocent lives were lost over this. That's got to be a terrifying thing to cope with though. Endless hugs for you, man. I think this whole community is thinking of you right now.

No counselling, I'm kinda alright, was always able to deal with stuff better than other people.

Thanks for the support guys, it was really horrible but I'm fine. I have so much work to do that I don't have time to be not-fine anyway.

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I can't imagine this happening to me... I'm so happy right now that the bomb didn't go off.  This kind of thing reminds me that life is precious - I can't imagine the mindfuck had I actually been in the room.

Anyway, if you need or want help, don't cheat yourself out of it because you're busy.  Lots of times people will actually make themselves super busy after a traumatic event to avoid counseling, as a form of repression or denial.  Not saying that's what you're doing, but it's something to be aware of.

Yes, something as near death as this probably does warrant at least a little bit of counseling.  It's easy to say "I'm alright, I don't need that," but there's probably some insanity going on on the subconscious level right now, as there probably should be.

I still can't believe you were right there... :o

Woah man glad your alive and not too shaken. I know what it's like to be near death like that way too often.

There's ALWAYS some insanity at the bottom of your brain, but stuff like this dredges it up.

HOLY SHIT. What an experience. You know, on the plus side, nayon, you'll be telling this story to your grandchildren, decades from now. Wow.

You're still assuming this is true, but there's no evidence for this that I've seen. Just because the local government claims you had enough explosive to blow up the whole school doesn't mean that was your intention. Specifically I disbelieve that because this government guy was getting death threats: if you send death threats to a particular person, it usually means you're after that person, not random innocents.

I just think that everyone in this thread is assuming the terrorist/assassin is the bad guy here, and I don't think that's true. It's just as possible (not knowing the details of the situation) that the government official actually did something that deserves death, and that he managed to evade justice.

Paul, war is wrong man! If he did something wrong the right thing to do is to arrest him and try him in court, not to blow yourself up with a bomb when he's visiting a school!

Courts are often corrupt, there's little chance that someone that powerful will be tried and held accountable. It's like with police brutality: the courts almost never come down against the police. You think the last US admin for instance is ever going to be held accountable for torture? Was Nixon held accountable for his actions? How about those high-ranking Nazis who lived long lives despite doing so much wrong in the concentration camps? How about those Japanese officers who killed so many in Nanking? Sometimes assassination is the only way.

Dude, I saw it. The woman was LOADED with bombs up her ass. I saw it MYSELF. Don't assume stuff because you weren't there.

And jeez, don't be such an ass. The person IS the bad guy. Had those bombs gone off, we would have died. At least the 40 people in the classroom and countless other people in the corridor and neighboring classrooms would have died. If you think a person doing this is not a bad guy, you have issues. We had done nothing wrong. At lest, I had done nothing wrong. What you are saying is VERY un-sensitive and downright rude. So with all due respect, shut up.

Let's hear you say that when a bomb goes off in a room, killing your best friend when he had nothing to do with it.

This. Come on Rinku, I know you like weighty discussions but, uh, a little respect here, p'raps? Nayon and many other people in his school could have died. Died. For no reason other than they happened to be in the same place as this individual.

I don't care what this Ex-Minister did, there are other ways and other means to exact one's idea of justice. Nothing would be worth an act like she tried. Stop arguing it's "potentially right". It's not idle philosophy this time.



EDIT: Uh, Nayon got in a couple seconds before I did. I'm still posting this.

I say she did choose the wrong place, but trying to bring "justice" on someone with high political power is not that easy at all.

Perhaps the bombs were just intended as a negotiation tactic? Not all bombs are intended to be used.

And yes, it's rude, but if this person really was a hero rather than a villain, it's a bad thing to look down on her like this.

And yes, they could have died, but it seems hypocritical to care about these people who almost died but not care about why she held such a grudge against this official. Saying you don't care what he did (even if he killed innocents) but you care what she did (because she almost killed innocents) makes no sense to me.

Bombs. Mass death. Innocent bystanders. Due to revenge because "The Villian" killed other innocents. None of us are saying this Ex-Minister is in the right, we're saying there are other ways. Ways which won't kill even more people.

Oh, fuck off, Paul.
She activated the bombs. The ignition blew up on her face. Negotiation tactic my ass.

You wanna kill someone, you shoot him, stab him, whatever. Not blow up a school of people who had nothing to do with whatever the man did.

I'm totally cool with the obfuscation of reality, so long as friends and innocents aren't getting hurt. Hero Shmero, she was trying to kill Nayon, and we know he's cool!

This is one of the things I sort of don't like about the internet. Anybody on this forum could be in a terrorist bombing or a train wreck, or a motercycle accident, and no one else here would know. They'd just assume the member got tired of the forums and left.

There's no real way to know how the other people around you are doing :(

Still, maybe she was just that angry. Sure, she should have chose something else, but I think it's wrong to paint her as an aggressor rather than as a victim of some earlier crime. For all we know, that minister could personally have tortured her family or something. People don't usually want to kill you unless you did something horrible to them.

I think you're pushing it too far.

She IS an aggressor if she tries to kill innocent people.

Yes, Paul, the evil minister tortured and raped her family and now she wants revenge.

Because she couldn't just be deranged or brainwashed into doing it by a group quite like, oh, I don't know, MOST SUICIDE BOMBINGS?

Not to mention there were two of them.

That's true, I don't mean that she wasn't also an aggressor, just that she possibly had some reason to do it. I didn't mean to offend you, I just meant to defend her, since it seemed like this thread was dehumanizing her (and continues to do so, by calling her brainwashed for instance). But it is true that I probably can't get people to see her as a real person too if they've decided not to, so it's probably a fruitless effort.

Sigh.
I don't see this thread going anywhere but downhill.
Locked.