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Title: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: esc on September 11, 2009, 01:06:48 AM
http://store.steampowered.com/app/26800/ and that's the link

If you haven't played it, go do it.

(they don't have mac versions, about time they should)


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Delmore on September 11, 2009, 01:20:09 AM
I think it's worth less than that!


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: xerus on September 11, 2009, 01:31:39 AM
I think it's worth less than that!

 :monoclepop:

Welp, you just guaranteed that this thread will be 20 pages by next week.

 >:(:handanykey:


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: alspal on September 11, 2009, 01:38:41 AM
I think it's worth less than that!

 :monoclepop:

Welp, you just guaranteed that this thread will be 20 pages by next week.

 >:(:handanykey:
I doubt it, some opinions aren't worth noticing/talking about.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Mipe on September 11, 2009, 02:26:50 AM
In fact, he should be PAID to play the game!
  :handmoneyL::durr:


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Jason Bakker on September 11, 2009, 05:12:57 AM
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Quote from: Delmore
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I think it's worth less than that!

I can't believe you would say that! Braid is the most fantastic game this side of the galaxy. Blahdy blahdy blah.
Overrated. Jonathan Blow BLOWS! HAH!
I'll list you five hundred reasons why Braid is a great game:
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Ouch. My eyes. Just because you're gay for Blow doesn't mean Braid isn't crap.
TROLL ALERT TROLL ALERT. Go back under a bridge you trolling troller.

Troll.
Exactly! Just because your game has no cred doesn't mean you have to hate on everyone elses.

braidisawesome
Uhm. Guys. I was just stating an op-
TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL


^ That's gotta save us at least a few pages.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: ForteDante on September 11, 2009, 05:21:42 AM
Quote from: trolldetector
Quote from: Delmore
Quote from: braidfan4eva
Quote from: trolldetector
Quote from: snarkalot
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I think it's worth less than that!

I can't believe you would say that! Braid is the most fantastic game this side of the galaxy. Blahdy blahdy blah.
Overrated. Jonathan Blow BLOWS! HAH!
I'll list you five hundred reasons why Braid is a great game:
-----
Ouch. My eyes. Just because you're gay for Blow doesn't mean Braid isn't crap.
TROLL ALERT TROLL ALERT. Go back under a bridge you trolling troller.

Troll.
Exactly! Just because your game has no cred doesn't mean you have to hate on everyone elses.

braidisawesome
Uhm. Guys. I was just stating an op-
TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL


^ That's gotta save us at least a few pages.

We can only hope. Anyways, most people must have played Braid by now, but if you haven't might as well pick it up. Even if you're not a fan of the narrative its a fun puzzler with some pretty aesthetics, and even if you end up hating it, 5 bucks is less than you would spend on junk food.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Delmore on September 11, 2009, 09:01:23 AM
^ That's gotta save us at least a few pages.

At least it's cheaper I guess though, I remember paying $15 for it on the 360 which I thought was pretty hefty.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: unsilentwill on September 11, 2009, 11:13:46 AM
At least it's cheaper I guess though, I remember paying $15 for it on the 360 which I thought was pretty hefty.

Man I am paying  :handmoneyL:$505 :handmoneyR: dollars for this game.

I am finally buying a new computer


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: SidM on September 11, 2009, 11:14:55 AM
5 bucks is less than you would spend on junk food.
Not really. In the US, $5 is nothing, but if you were in (say) India, that $5 would last all week.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Jason Bakker on September 11, 2009, 04:32:07 PM
^ That's gotta save us at least a few pages.

I probably wouldn't make a post saying the word troll repeatedly.  :laughter:

I probably got the nesting wrong, but you were supposed to be the one above that :P

Also, in regards to Braid for mac, not sure whether it's on Steam yet but you can get it from Greenhouse here:
http://www.playgreenhouse.com/game/NNONE-000001-01/

Yes, it is $15 bucks there, but I'd still recommend it. braidfan4eva!
 :whome:


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Delmore on September 11, 2009, 05:34:44 PM
I probably got the nesting wrong, but you were supposed to be the one above that :P
No no, you're right. Didn't see that last quote that was outside of the borders.

Quote pyramids are very confusing!


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: KennEH! on September 11, 2009, 09:24:16 PM
I still haven't played Braid, and really don't intend to. :durr:


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Gainsworthy on September 11, 2009, 10:05:20 PM
I still haven't played Braid, and really don't intend to. :durr:

Are... are you being serious? Have you even played a demo? It's really quite cool*.



*Unless you hate platformers. Like, HATE them. They always used to beat you up at lunch and stuff.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: BlueSweatshirt on September 11, 2009, 11:27:11 PM
I had played the demo on my Xbox when it first came out. I thought it was a great game, but I felt as if I had enough from the demo to 'tide my hunger'.

I saw the ad on Steam this morning, $5 sounded like a steal. I went ahead and picked it up. A good $5 spent!


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: moi on September 11, 2009, 11:36:11 PM
I had enough with the internet buzz. I don't really fee like going out of my way to play it :shrug2:


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: ForteDante on September 12, 2009, 03:29:21 AM
I had enough with the internet buzz. I don't really fee like going out of my way to play it :shrug2:

I don't know, isn't hype convincing you not to play it about as bad as hype convincing you TO play it? Better to ignore it and judge the game for yourself.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: KennEH! on September 12, 2009, 06:58:53 AM
I still haven't played Braid, and really don't intend to. :durr:

Are... are you being serious? Have you even played a demo? It's really quite cool*.



*Unless you hate platformers. Like, HATE them. They always used to beat you up at lunch and stuff.
Some of my favourite games are platformers.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: LazyWaffle on September 12, 2009, 07:16:17 AM
You couldn't PAY me 5 bucks to play Braid.

(http://i31.tinypic.com/35i4mza.jpg)


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Trevor Dunbar on September 12, 2009, 07:37:10 AM
I might buy this (again) on PC since the resolution will be easier to see and I can actually read the text without having to get out my eyeglasses. Toucan eyeglasses.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: KennEH! on September 12, 2009, 08:01:22 AM
Foot has now been eaten.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: moi on September 12, 2009, 11:03:46 AM
I had enough with the internet buzz. I don't really fee like going out of my way to play it :shrug2:

I don't know, isn't hype convincing you not to play it about as bad as hype convincing you TO play it? Better to ignore it and judge the game for yourself.
Yeah but apart from hype, the screenshots don't really appeal to me


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Alec on September 12, 2009, 11:11:54 AM
I had enough with the internet buzz. I don't really fee like going out of my way to play it :shrug2:

I don't know, isn't hype convincing you not to play it about as bad as hype convincing you TO play it? Better to ignore it and judge the game for yourself.
Yeah but apart from hype, the screenshots don't really appeal to me

I remember not being totally sold on the art too - until I played the game. It looks really lush and beautiful in motion. :)


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Kekskiller on September 12, 2009, 11:22:28 AM
I played the Braid Demo on the GC in Leipzig and it was awesome! I always wished to play it again, but I never found time/motivation to buy it. Just bought it 10 minutes ago :handthumbsupL:;) . There seem to be a lot people not liking Braid. I usually don't like platformers, but I really liked what I played (and saw). And it's also not just the typical jump/gun'n run action. The time feature and graphics were the two points convincing me. So, maybe it's the fan of usual platformers not liking Braid?


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: esc on September 12, 2009, 01:08:51 PM
It's actually mostly a puzzle game, you just control this character as a vessel for your time control mechanics.
It's really varied, as every level has their own time control rules and a very compact package.

So yeah, if you don't think you'll like it try the demo, but in the end it's only 5 dollars/4.50 euros.

If you do play it, take your time, it's a thinking game.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Eclipse on September 12, 2009, 01:57:41 PM
I think it's worth less than that!

Braid is more worth than the games you like the most dude  8) Think about your favorite game, then Braid is like $5 more worth.

Braid is an awesome experience, the metaphor of trying to fix the mistakes that everyone of us makes during his life it's told by the gameplay itself, it's not mere "i can control time to kill the baddies, yay" in this game, it feels a lot more personal, like "what if i answered like that instead of what i did to that girl?".

Maybe it's just me but i really liked how the gamplay was strictly but at the same time not banally connected to the books before each world :) i can't even say it was real storytelling... a lot of people expect a real plot, thinking about Tim as a real person in a real world, i saw it like something much more personal, and i liked that Blow was able to craft an experience that's more similar to an essay than a movie


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: moi on September 12, 2009, 03:01:58 PM
I think what doesn't attract me in Braid is that I've played too many puzzle platformers already, there are so many indie games that are puzzle platformers.
Also After watching a few videos, it's very nice, but there is something in the art style that doesn't tick with me.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Eclipse on September 12, 2009, 03:55:37 PM
I think what doesn't attract me in Braid is that I've played too many puzzle platformers already, there are so many indie games that are puzzle platformers.
Also After watching a few videos, it's very nice, but there is something in the art style that doesn't tick with me.

there's no game like braid really, and it is the best "puzzle platformer" ever made so far.

I agree that the graphics isn't pretty, or better, the environments are, the characters are not


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: battlerager on September 12, 2009, 04:01:11 PM
I hated some of the puzzles guts because of how angry they made me. I also hate the character art.


Music (and the music effects when rewinding and stuff) are nice though.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Radnom on September 12, 2009, 10:35:54 PM
I got it yesterday. ahem hem:


Braid Review:

Disappointed.

...

Extended review:

I played the demo of Braid a while ago, and while I wasn't a huge fan of some of the puzzles I felt it had some promise in the storyline, and that I'd probably be able to at least get through it by leaving the various optional challenges (in the form of puzzle pieces).

What I did not realise is that  the game relies on the player collecting ALL the puzzle pieces throughout the game, however it provides no incentive to do so other than the fact that they're there. They appear as though they are collectables as in other platform games - generally optional - but they are apparently essential in Braid. I started collecting the pieces in the first area, I got most of them but some seemed impossible to get. I assumed later I'd get some kind of jump upgrade and I'd be able to go back and get the rest ala Metroid. By the time I got to the last area I didn't care about the puzzle pieces at all- they were taking too long to collect and they didn't make sense - I just wanted to hurry up and find the darn princess. This could just be a problem for me - generally in games with side-quests I ignore anything not relevant to the main mission - I'm very narrow minded in terms of objectives, and if I have a main, high priority task to do I will do that one first. This leads to problems in many games where I finish the main quest, see the end credits screen and stop playing the game even if I've barely seen a tiny piece of the whole game's content (Examples: Fallout 3, Mass Effect).

There are also game elements that are not explained at all. There were a couple of times that levels had a certain glowing platform - when I stood on it, I glowed for about 2-3 seconds then it faded away. I couldn't for the life of me figure out what it was supposed to be for. Even the game instructions don't explain it. I don't mind that there is a lack of instructions - it's nice not being babied through all the elements of a game - but if there are odd things that don't have any explanation whatsoever their effect should be made perfectly obvious.

Unfortunately for me the game doesn't actually end if you don't finish the puzzles. I don't know what happens if you do finish one as I never did manage to finish any of them, but there is no end to the game if you do not collect them. The last area finishes just like any other level. There is no story, no resolution, nothing. It doesn't even say "finish the puzzles to finish the game" or anything. It just placed me back in the hub world and left me to it. I don't even think the role of the puzzles was even explained story-wise, or perhaps I missed something.

The levels are not challenging in the slightest if one just runs through them from start to finish ignoring the puzzle pieces, they're pretty much a straight line of doorways that you can breeze through in a few minutes meaning to get anything out of Braid the puzzle pieces must be collected. I guess my main problem with this is that some of the puzzle pieces rely on absolute precision which I have no patience for. I know there are puzzle pieces I will never be bothered to get even though I've figured out the 'catch'. There are also other puzzle pieces that I have even less of an idea on how to collect.

I know I will never finish Braid, and so I will never see any sort of ending, I will never observe any kind of resolution to the story. This leaves me totally disappointed. If only a certain amount of puzzle pieces needed to be collected, and if that amount of puzzle pieces was compulsory to obtain before the next area is able to be accessed I think I would have had a better motivation to get as many puzzle pieces as I could.

Through all its bad elements (or rather, elements I don't agree with) Braid is a very pretty game, and has its moments. Some of the puzzles and game mechanics are quite clever. The backgrounds are beautiful, constantly shifting with many layers of parallax and never staying quite still - yet also never getting in the way of anything important. The main character is an odd design and is mostly animated great although the climbing animation makes me cringe every time. The sound and musical effects are great, especially combined with the time-shifting game elements. There are some great subtle effects.

All in all, Braid had a lot of potential to really wow me but unfortunately fell short due to odd game design choices.



OVERALL: I wish I could have my $5 back
that was far too harsh and I didn't really mean it at all. I meant it in jest. The game is well worth paying some money for because if you do like it, you'll definitely like it a lot.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Kekskiller on September 12, 2009, 10:49:19 PM
OVERALL: I wish I could have my $5 back because I'm too impatient.
Fixed.

Puzzle platformers need puzzles for completing the game. Isn't it obvious? I think the "side quest" beeing of puzzles is to skip a harder level whereever you can. Sooo, if you can't solve the puzzle now, you can go back to another one!


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Radnom on September 12, 2009, 11:27:07 PM
OVERALL: I wish I could have my $5 back because I'm too impatient.
Fixed.
You're right - I am too impatient for this game. It's obviously not for everyone and I guess I wasn't expecting that as it got rave reviews from pretty much everywhere - generally when a game gets overall awesome reviews it's a game that I'll get at least a fair bit of enjoyment out of.

I don't mind puzzles in some games, but I guess although Braid's puzzles are very challenging, I did not find them enjoyable to figure out. When I play games it's generally to have fun, not to get stuck  :)

Quote
Puzzle platformers need puzzles for completing the game. Isn't it obvious? I think the "side quest" beeing of puzzles is to skip a harder level whereever you can. Sooo, if you can't solve the puzzle now, you can go back to another one!

That's what I thought was happening with the puzzles though! It's a very sneaky game. I thought it was letting me skip a couple of the harder puzzles, but it was really just delaying the inevitable. There were puzzles in Braid that I just didn't want to figure out, I had no motivation to do them, they were time consuming and tedious and relied on a lot of perfect fiddly movements. The fact that they weren't optional and that I couldn't just miss a couple was what annoyed me the most.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: esc on September 13, 2009, 12:11:31 AM
I got it yesterday. ahem hem:
...
Extended review:
...
What I did not realise is that  the game relies on the player collecting ALL the puzzle pieces throughout the game, however it provides no incentive to do so other than the fact that they're there.
OVERALL: I wish I could have my $5 back

It's a puzzle game, and each piece represents you solving a particular puzzle.
It's not at all an action game, as your impatience shows you actually wanted, you really need to take your time.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Kekskiller on September 13, 2009, 12:18:24 AM
Hey Radnom, 5 bucks isn't the whole world. You invested in supporting your game taste!


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Radnom on September 13, 2009, 12:35:20 AM
I got it yesterday. ahem hem:
...
Extended review:
...
What I did not realise is that  the game relies on the player collecting ALL the puzzle pieces throughout the game, however it provides no incentive to do so other than the fact that they're there.
OVERALL: I wish I could have my $5 back

It's a puzzle game, and each piece represents you solving a particular puzzle.
It's not at all an action game, as your impatience shows you actually wanted, you really need to take your time.
I guess that's the thing. I don't play games to solve puzzles, or to beat challenges, or even to test my skill - I play games to complete stories. In this game the story is about finding a princess, not putting puzzles together. My goal is that of Tim's goal, which is different to the game's.

Also the puzzles just didn't do it for me - they required a lot of fast and precise movements and jumps that sort of broke the flow, I felt like I didn't have time to sit back and think one step at a time.

Of course a lot of people enjoyed the game immensely so it's probably just me and a few like-minded people that won't enjoy it as much - I wrote this review as a sort of warning that not everyone will like it. There don't actually seem to be any reviews warning against getting Braid at all. Just throwing my 2 cents out there!

I guess I don't really want my $5 back, that was a bit (okay, a lot) harsh  :wtf: and I do wish Jon Blow the best for his next venture.




Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Eclipse on September 13, 2009, 12:49:32 AM
Radnom you just didn't get the whole game  :facepalm:

If you want a game where to find a princess play mario bros 3

I suppose Braid is not for everyone, but the design choices are completely valid.
Also the game doesn't "end" with the last level because... well because it actually ends with the first.
Have you noticed that the first world in the game is called World 2?

Anyway... i think you expected a platform but braid is much more

oh and i'm happy that Blow didn't added stupid tutorials or stuff like "you have to complete all the puzzles to unlock the ending yay!"

Completing the puzzles makes sense because your quest for the princess is as physical as metaphorical, also playing the game without completing the puzzles is like.. running along all the worlds, as the game relies only on that, you can run through all the worlds in minutes... so basically you didn't played the game, it's not a side quest, collecting the pieces is like the only mechanic of the game  ???

You can actually collect all the pieces :) there's no jump upgrade of sorta.
Also no puzzle is solved with perfect fiddly movements or luck, they're all quite logical once you discover how to solve them


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: jstckr on September 13, 2009, 01:54:59 AM
Radnom you just don't get 'games'

Fixed


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Gainsworthy on September 13, 2009, 02:53:09 AM
...
Some of my best friends are platformers.

Just buy the thing. It's Five Bucks. I'm sure you've paid more for a dodgy meal. You'll get something out of this! Pwomise.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: battlerager on September 13, 2009, 03:06:19 AM
Also no puzzle is solved with perfect fiddly movements or luck, they're all quite logical once you discover how to solve them
Really?? Because I haven't beaten this game yet because of precision-frustration  :'(


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: ForteDante on September 13, 2009, 03:15:05 AM
Some of them do require reflexes, if I recall correctly, but nothing that's overly frustrating. Except maybe with the stars.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: battlerager on September 13, 2009, 03:32:22 AM
I spent 2 hours on some puzzles  :epileptic:


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Kekskiller on September 13, 2009, 05:01:55 AM
I spent 2 hours on some puzzles  :epileptic:
Well, maybe it's like Monkey Island for you: takes a ton of time to find out, but if, you can play the game within a half hour or so.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: team_q on September 13, 2009, 06:56:07 AM
Really?? Because I haven't beaten this game yet because of precision-frustration  :'(
Then you haven't figured out the solution properly.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Selben Coirlo on September 13, 2009, 10:26:28 PM
There are a couple of puzzles with slightly finicky timing/precision even when properly solved (I think), but they're definitely in the minority. Most of the solutions are very elegant.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: esc on September 13, 2009, 10:44:48 PM
Here's a good tutorial (http://www.cracked.com/video_17823_helpful-tutorial-game-that-would-confuse-einstein.html) on the first level


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: Delmore on September 14, 2009, 02:24:33 AM
Also After watching a few videos, it's very nice, but there is something in the art style that doesn't tick with me.

On my TV the game was a complete eyesore and I could barely make anything out. I liked how fluently the main character was animated at least.


Title: Re: Braid is 5 bucks on steam this weekend
Post by: soundofjw on September 15, 2009, 11:17:52 PM
I got this when it was going on - and wow.