most people already agree with icy's ideas anyway, excluding only his assertions that indie games are "degenerate" and the "scourge of gaming."
Sorry to pluck this out and I know Derek mentioned it earlier but I'd love to know where the foundation for this claim is.
If we're referring to his views on art games...
If it's within TIGS then it's a self selecting group. And even then, to be fair, the amount of art/experimental games created in this very forum makes me uncomfortable with this line of discussion. (Not that you shouldn't criticise them but that people are willing to handwave away an entire subset of the members work as inferior or boring so easily which is precisely what agreeing with Zirbas entails*)
If it's the front page then it's a small minority of incredibly vocal people (ring any bells?)
If it's out there in the great wide world I'd find a safer bet in saying that it doesn't really hold up at all. The majority of people don't make the distinctions you do.
Flower is a game. Limbo is a game. They're not art games - they're just games
. They're also both games that sold copious amounts to the general public. You can either read this, as Zirbas does, as an infection and blight upon the master race of gaming or you can go with the far more rational and realistic view that people do want these things. People generally don't mind these things. And any alarmist bullshit is just that. Pretty much every site I visit outside of the indiesphere doesn't tend to carry these art/not art arguments beyond the occasional snipe here and there. It's just generally accepted that these are part of what gaming is now and it would seem, judging by sales, that the public are pretty happy with that. Their value judgement doesn't tally with Zirbas'. Most critics value judgement doesn't either.
So no. I don't think most people do agree with Zirbas on this. I'd say most people don't give a flying shit about the is it/isn't it art/is art a rubbish argument and it's only a minority of people who argue the either/or and frankly, anyone making games shouldn't care about them unless they're making games specifically for them. Which people do. Which is nice because it leaves us with a fantastic and varied game-o-sphere to play in.
Most people don't share his views of masterworks. Most people probably haven't even heard of what he dribbles on about (worth noting that's not a value judgement on said works, just a "be careful with your words").
Most people don't believe complexity is innately superior to simplicity as a goal for games.
And the biggy? Most people don't believe you should compare Gears Of War with Johnny's Slow Piano Music Platformer. They're big and smart enough to be able to judge relatively. That's perfectly fine. Because all these things are just games
it doesn't automatically follow, as Zirbas would have you, that therefor small just game 1
should be compared to massive just game 2 with megabudget
. Most people would realise that's stupid.
I'd also argue that most people are happy and content to let people just do
without them having to aspire to being the greatest or to compare themselves with said alleged masterworks. If someone wants to aspire to be the best, fabulous. If someone just wants to tinker and do, then that's ok too. That's kinda the fucking point of being indie, yeah? That you can just do. Any critic that makes a judgement based on "does sketchgameA compare with massivegameB" is, with all due respect, a fucking idiot.
And of course, most people don't agree that it's ok to call journalists ho bags because you didn't like some words they put down about videogames
So can we please stop claiming "everyone agrees with Zirbas" or "most people agree with Zirbas" at least until statistically, we're somewhere close to that being truth? And especially when "agreeing with Zirbas" is generally agreeing to limit the scope and scale and progression of games to a narrow route as judged by self elected gamearatti?
*you can't really separate what Zirbas thinks from the derogatory remarks as the derogatory statements are integral to his points.