[everyone is encouraged to start one of these whenever]

dude everyone is encouraged to start one of these whenever, just check to make sure theres not already an active one when you do.

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super joe you dont know what anthrax is do you

Right but not all Republicans approve of this tactic.

If they're gonna choose to operate as a single voting bloc they don't just get to absolve themselves of responsibility by blaming one fragment of their party.

Word is fallen london is good. Fast flash/html5 alternative s and facebook contributed to swallow the medium.

The spending bill is being negotiated right now and it's the Democrats taking the hard line now, and the PPACA thing is over.

Once again though this is an example of extreme right rhetoric distorting the issue -- the spending bill is a routine part of our government, and the republicans are seeking to defend institutions that are well established and they have more appropriate ways to attempt to dismantle. Instead of pushing legislature that alters spending, they're attempting to ransom spending by threatening to not default on america's loans and other insane games of chicken.

[no demands]

Party A says there would be no shutdown if Party B would just agree to their budget. Is this not correct for both parties?

In this case no.

The democrats have no demands regarding the shutdown.

The republicans have a laundry lists legislature they want repealed -- all things that went to votes and they had normal, legal ways to oppose, and normal, legal ways to repeal, but they don't have the votes it takes to do it.

This is literally an example of a political minority holding the entire nation hostage because they don't like what the majority and the voters agreed on.

I support this, this is super cool, and as i said to you already, jared I demand you implement idle animations for the portrait ala doomguy.

I thought about this for a while (seriously!) and I'm gonna say illustrations. Also went to your devlog to peek.

On a technical level neither is very well done, but the pixel art gives you a samey retro game feel, whereas the illustration I guess clearly communicates something ?? And gives this hand-made loving vibe to the game, reminiscent of how sword of the stars' goofy art was part of the charm.

woah, we're basically living in the future.

https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76a2fe0cf8bf2710d3697d912063f96976c3eaf5?hl=en dunno how long this one will last

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I'm gonna be working on something or another for the next hour or so, let's kick this off.

Some of the best carrion work in a while. I don't think this particular piece needs more depth, but as a fellow artist I'd like to see you focus more on art fundamentals (volume, mass, perspective) in general

For the style, I'd personally like to see a single thin "ribbon" of smoke gently sine-waving away. As a general rule, fades to imply motion in animation look like shit, even if we're dealing with a partially transparent surface, and smoke has a lot of volume. Play around with it!

If cooler heads prevail, and GOP moderates agree to enter negotiations within the party, the shutdown shouldn't have too much of a long term effect.

Well, yeah, if the shutdown only lasts like, a day or two, it will be largely harmless. But even exposing the nation to this kind of tremendously unnecessary economic risk in a newly recovering economy is horrifying.

Well, I'll just say that it is nice that you have privilege of shrugging something like this off, but it's a pretty self-centered position.

No one else I know is affected by it either. I'd care if they were, but I don't go out of my way to look for reasons to be indignant about this sort of thing. Why specifically does it matter to you?

You are absolutely effected by this level of political dysfunction, you just don't educate yourself enough to be able to identify its effects. This indirectly effects your past, present, and future financial situation and stability, and widespread ignorance of things like this is what permits them to keep happening year after year.

Nah the shutdown doesn't really affect anyone. Government employees are paid in the duration; the only thing that sucks is that public national parks are under "non-essential" and I believe are just left unguarded, though I'm sure I'm wrong on that somehow.

Non-essential government employees aren't paid, and many other common services (like WIC) are or will be shut down if it continues -- also, while the markets aren't panicking or anything yet, a prolonged government shutdown is a recipe for catastrophic economic damage, as investors start to doubt the country's ability to manage itself.

http://qz.com/129437/who-will-notice-a-us-government-shut-down-public-workers-foreign-governments-and-people-with-the-flu/

Leon: Well, or you could get murdered. But, again, just because some abusive relationships may make your life even worse than being a slave doesnt make slavery magically not oppressive? What kind of nightmarish moral relativist carnival were you raised in, Graham?

That wasn't my point. I was just making an illustration. The "position" is defended only by many, many, observations, only some of which I have given.

The very origin of oppression is "to be pressed against", or basically "to held down or limited". Slavery is by its very mechanism oppressive and arguing anything else demonstrates blatant ignorance.

I can sortof grok wanting to discuss your privileged confusion about how someone with a 'fulfilling' life working out on the fields could be less happy than a wage slave pushing papers (which you'd also be very wrong about) -- but outright saying it's not oppression is just silly.

What I mean is that freedom is relative. There's a quote from a book I read, that I mentioned earlier, that goes, "If I were building a country, first I'd get the sewers, then I'd get the democracy." He's making reference to shit piled up everywhere, and the corruption that the rush for democracy brings.

We are all in cages. I'd rather be a slave to a good master, then be the wife of an emotionally abusive man (and free) - this is assuming everything else is equal.

Looking down on all slavery, as a rule - the "rule of slavery" - is a just a justification for the denial of the ways in which you "enslave" people in your own life, in many minor ways.

"There are things worth than slavery" =/= "Slavery is not oppressive."

Leon: Well, or you could get murdered. But, again, just because some abusive relationships may make your life even worse than being a slave doesnt make slavery magically not oppressive? What kind of nightmarish moral relativist carnival were you raised in, Graham?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics