Can we just keep posting until we hit page 2 so I don't have to look at that thing?

Mesh is okay when he's not posting SPIDERS WHICH HE KNOWS I AM AFRAID OF

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The Nesl just broke half of its goal and has about half of its time left.   I hope it tips over the edge and makes it.  I really want one.

SF is pretty cool.

I am currently drinking a cola and eating a candy bar.  IT'S MY WEEKEND.

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I ate a peppermint patty.  Where does that fall, in terms of ethics/morals

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Someone who does not eat meat because they believe they are reducing the number of animals killed is ethical are incorrect, because the acreage a cow would graze, if turned to a grain field, would house hundreds of mice, and thousands of insects

Have you been listening to Lierre Keith and the myths she spread in her book The Vegetarian Myth? Because your claims here are just wrong. Having cows increase the total farm area needed, because of all the grain/soy/etc. that is used to feed the cows. Also, if you specifically have been mislead by Lierre Keith, here is a debunking that for example talks about the impossibility of grazing animal production: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2010/03/15/correcting_the_vegetarian_myth.pdf

Further, trucking those goods en masse across the country via long haul is actually more efficient than hauling smaller yields around 'local' distances.  

It is a common mistake to focus more on food transport than on food production. The biggest green house gas emissions from food production is not caused by transports but rather by animal farts and rice fields producing methane. UN report: http://www.fao.org/docrep/010/a0701e/a0701e00.HTM

The fact that babies die every year because their parents want to raise them vegan, without milk, is just depressing.

 

It would be sad if it was true. There are a few cases of retards fucking up due to ignorance. But as far as I know there have only been a few cases and it is not a direct consequence of veganism, but rather of people being ignorant fuckers. It is quite possible to raise children in an extremely healthy way on vegan food. And it is quite possible (and too common) for stupid people to kill their children with bad food - vegan or not.

Yo thanks for responding to my points with some articles, I appreciate new info, and I'll read them later.  While you didn't really address my core point of "everything's fucked no matter what", I've lost all interest in this thread since it sort of went down the toilet like a lightning bolt.

A few hundred pounds of cabbage trucked around a state is far less efficient than 10 tons being trucked across the country in a straight line, basically.  Factor in outlet points, economies of scale, etc, and it's pretty clear that in terms of fuel spent, long haul is going to win out.  I mean, it's why we industrialized the shit out of everything in the first place:  Mass efficiency.  America's network of long haul trucking logistics is the unsung backbone of the nation, for better or worse.

Now, of course, there are still some very tiny 'local' farms that don't export their goods, and expect their customers to come to them personally.  This is a more ideal, if rarer, situation in some respects.  There are still downside:  You pay a lot for 'quality', and to make up for the fact that they aren't pushing as much volume.  That's fine, and sometimes is very much worth it.  This would be a great system to have if we didn't have ultra-dense population centers that straight up cannot be supported in this method.

I'm not arguing for or against anything at this point, just trying to bring some often overlooked points to consider.

I mean, if I were to make a point, it'd be that it's basically impossible to live a truly ethical existence (unless you're Paul Eres), so don't stress too much about trying to affect lifestyling traits to justify your choices.

A wise man laughs at a joke that makes him look foolish.

Mesh how is your eye hygiene coming along?

A lot of the justifications people have for being vegetarian or vegan are based on incorrect assumptions.

Someone who does not eat meat because they believe they are reducing the number of animals killed is ethical are incorrect, because the acreage a cow would graze, if turned to a grain field, would house hundreds of mice, and thousands of insects, which would all be destroyed utterly when it comes time to harvest.  One could argue that a cow is more 'important' or more capable of emotion than a hundred mice, but that is a very grey area.  The idea of a cow being killed quickly and without pain (which obviously isn't always the case, but I feel it is the norm.) is less terrible to me than dozens of mice being ground through a wheat thresher and bleached.  Of course, that doesn't stop me from eating bread either.

For environmental reasons, factory farms and even local farms can be pretty bad when it comes to chemical use.  Further, trucking those goods en masse across the country via long haul is actually more efficient than hauling smaller yields around 'local' distances.  

Health reasons are fine, provided you understand how your body works and that you need protein and certain other nutrients.  The fact that babies die every year because their parents want to raise them vegan, without milk, is just depressing.

I don't hate vegetarians or vegans, and in a lot of cases I respect their willpower.  I just think that it's important to not base your lifestyle on falsehoods, just because your goals themselves are admirable.

another big issue is, who cares about how much freedom devs have when they make games, if they can't profit from those games? who do you think gets the money when valve sells a game, the employee?

This is basically the nature of capitalism though.  Why should I continue to work at a store if I don't get what I perceive to be a fair share of the profits and also the ability to change store displays as I please?  Because I'll starve if I don't.  While one might place more pride in their work if they see it as creative or culturally useful or whatever, that alone means nothing to capitalism.  All that matters is if people are going to pay money for it.

Would some devs benefit from working solo or ditching large companies and forming their own teams?  Some definitely would, yes.  The nature of distribution is changing.  Are there some devs who, despite loving their job, would utterly fail in a self-directed, independent project?  Yes.  Are there people who, despite being solid game devs, simply cannot handle the tasks of being PR, Salesman, and Accountant as well? Yes.

While I've had negligible successes in self publishing (considering the amount of 'real' heart and soul effort I've put in), I would not be totally unopposed to working for a publisher for a secure cash infusion. I wouldn't have trouble, say, coming up with an easily marketable intellectual property I don't care too much about losing the rights to.  I do these things gladly because I need money to live.

In an ideal world I'd be able to work on my heart and soul projects without caring about how much I sell.  We're far from that world though.

Yeah I've seen Springtime for Hitler too.

I think what Eres is wondering mirrors my thoughts in the general "pollution" thread, where I basically figured the Valve Handbook to be a conscious leak, designed to aid in headhunting employees-- that some new hire isn't going to really have the ability to start making new games on the company dime because of unwritten social pressures.  I'm sure that Valve's heirarchy-less system is better in a lot of ways than, say, EA, but it's going to fall prey to some problems due to invisible chains of command, lack of defined borders in interpersonal office conflicts, etc.  Sure beats most jobs though, by far.

It's almost the opposite of the conceits The Jungle used to have the protagonist shuffle his way through most of the era's social classes.  In 1984 though, you have Winston who is right in the center and keenly aware of the proletariat and the inner party.

The society and the language are the main characters.  All I can say is there's a lot of subtext in the way characters interact, as well.  It's not an action story at all.

All beings on this wild and wooly Earth of ours are just one or two moves away from trying to wreck your shit.