Idk, but I think it will...

ah, that's a good point. i'd put legos in the middle category then

other examples of the middle category might include musical instruments, because those don't have goals but also have rules (to an extent -- harmony, chords, keys, etc.)

Grades? The ability to play certain pieces?

PAUL used RAW NUMBER

It's SUPER EFFECTIVE!

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

both Christianity and Islam are monotheistic

hmm -- i don't think you can really understand religion unless you realize its social role in class domination. it makes more sense to me to understand people who are religious as victims, not simply as irrational people.

very intelligent, very rational people are religious, it's not just idiots. religion is entirely "rational" in that it fits in with the way the brain works. it's not scientific, but it is rational: the system makes sense, it's perfectly believable as a worldview.

it also uses specific techniques to get people to believe in it: fear of the consequences of not believing in it, for instance. so i think it's best understood as a human-engineered mind-virus, something which takes over people and makes them subservient to other people (the leaders of that religion). it's a very sophisticated weapon, not just a set of superstitions.

Long story short: Everybody read Snow Crash, by Neal Stephenson.

In fact.

You are banned from posting in this thread until you've read it.

Ah- thats a good point. I've only been using it on linux, so I'm not really aware of any dlls, but it probably has them

i agree

@14113: i read the post, i just disagree that it's both. i don't think organized religion is even partially created for people's benefit. saying it only works because people don't know everything about the world is like saying that frauds and scams only work because people are ignorant that the fraudsters and scam artists are lying. that doesn't mean that fraud and scams (like the african prince who wants to give you a million dollars if you give him money first) only work because they explain the unexplained.

@neoshaman: you should put smilies next to your jokes, they'd be easier to recognize. also you should realize by now that i neither joke nor laugh at jokes, so sending jokes in replies to my posts isn't going to work

A)I never said it was for peoples benefit. I said it's because the people WANT it to be true. People WANT to have a narrative to explain things, preferably to do with the way they see the world. I for example will more readily believe in evolution, as I have been brought up to see the scientific method as the best way of looking at the world. The religious girl in my maths class however, may prefer to believe in intelligent design, as that way of looking at the world has been drummed into her from a young age.

For a person living in a ancient culture, the only real experience of cause and effect is people, and consciousness in general. therefore it fits, that when told the (falsehood) how other things in nature conform to this method of cause and effect, it fits. And it satisfies them.

B)Like for religion, people buy into scams because they WANT them to be true. They want to believe the story (that is told to them in fiction books) that it is possible for someone (a protagonist, ie, them) to, out of the blue, be given a million dollars.

Like I said, it's both.


please actually read my posts 

to me, minecraft has goals, it's just looser about which goals to pursue than some other games are. for instance, gradually crafting, improving your tools, improving your materials, remaking the world to be more to your liking, that's very goal-oriented, even if it does its goal-orientation a slightly different way than other games do.

think about how much work and effort someone had to go through to build all those giant models you see in minecraft videos (like the star trek enterprise or whatever) -- that's a very goal-oriented thing to do. it takes a lot of planning and work. it's not just playful leisure.

As yahtzee put it:

A giant gold penis.

My primary issue is this: religion has failed at what it was originally intended to do.

It was originally created as a means to explain the unknown, a defense mechanism.

i don't really think this is the case. religion was originally created by the ruling class to control the thoughts and behavior of everyone else. and it worked, and continues to work. rome even *explicitly* did this: they changed the state religion from roman polytheism to christian monotheism because they decided christians are easier to control than polytheists (and they were right).

In rome, the religion wasnt created merely exploited.

I think it's more of a mix of both aspects, sure the religion was created to control people, but that wouldn't work if they didn't WANT to believe it, didn't WANT some way of explaining the unexplainable.

Oops, I meant FLTK, an easy mistake to make 


I need some sleep

it'd be interesting to see if there were more "not games" / art games and less goal-based games in a technological society which didn't value goal-orientation so much (for instance, the blackfoot culture or something) -- of course maybe you can't reach a technological civilization *without* being goal-oriented to a degree

That's a pretty interesting proposition, that games imitate society. I guess that's due to the fact that most art imitates life, or reflects some aspect of the society in which it was created, in some way.

I wonder what the games made by the humans in wall-e would be like...

Has anybody suggested using FTGL for user interface stuff yet? I've just started using it, and it seems pretty good!

It's pretty easy to get going with, plus it's pretty lightweight, as in, you include individual headers for all the widgets you need. It's also cross-platform.

so yeah.

The dark lord voldemort puts it pretty well:

http://lv7thinks.com/?p=193#more-193

Everything religion can achieve, can be achieved without religion.

This

+1

Even the philosophical questions do not require the belief in deity or any other irrational belief

I also get that people respect my oppinion more depending on what level I have.

Well that cant be true, nobody gives a shit what I say.

true

Let me finish. Which is a problem for THEM.

I also get that people respect my oppinion more depending on what level I have.

Well that cant be true, nobody gives a shit what I say.

http://www.minecraft.net/store/loot.jsp

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