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« Reply #150 on: February 14, 2010, 09:17:08 PM »

The only people who don't understand rap music are rich people who have never seen a ghetto in their life. It's like a foreign language to those who've never had to grow up poor in the streets and worry about getting shot.

Then why do so many suburban white kids buy it and love it?
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« Reply #151 on: February 14, 2010, 09:20:59 PM »

The only people who don't understand rap music are rich people who have never seen a ghetto in their life. It's like a foreign language to those who've never had to grow up poor in the streets and worry about getting shot.

Then why do so many suburban white kids buy it and love it?
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« Reply #152 on: February 14, 2010, 09:55:17 PM »

The origins of rap (a part of them)
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« Reply #153 on: February 15, 2010, 09:16:57 AM »

i think the more narrow and specific use of 'game' is a recent thing; back in the snes era we were happy to call mario paint and sim city/ant/earth games. i think it's just a small minority of hardcore gamers who want to hijack the word for themselves, instead of keeping it meaning anything you play.

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No one is trying to hijack the word "game". That much is a given considering everyone acknowledges that it has several meanings anyway.

The "activity engaged in for diversion or amusement" has, from the dawn of videogames, not been the meaning it's been about. It has always been the competitive one. (See for example how "videogames" is translated to other languages.)

If I start making music by smashing rocks together, insisting that it is "rock music", then surely, magazines covering "rock music" will take an interest in my music. Because there is absolutely no way two different concepts can be kept separate if it is possible to describe both of them using the same sequence of letters.

look at real-life games for instance: when kids say they're going to play cowboys and indians, you don't have some other kid jumping in saying 'that's not a game because there's no rules and goals!'

And when kids say they're going to eat spaghetti, you don't have some other kid jumping in saying 'that's not a game'.

or when they say 'let's play a game of catch', a game where you just throw a ball back and forth between each other. no goal, no rules, but it's still called a game.

No, yo, dude, that's the street, yo. There are no rules on the street. In catch there are rules and goals. FOR ONE THING IT IS A GOAL TO CATCH THE BALL.

The only people who don't understand rap music are rich people who have never seen a ghetto in their life. It's like a foreign language to those who've never had to grow up poor in the streets and worry about getting shot.

It's like a foreign language to those who've never had to grow up watching kung fu flicks.
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« Reply #154 on: February 15, 2010, 09:52:05 AM »

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It's like a foreign language to those who've never had to grow up watching kung fu flicks.
I detest the vast majority of gangsta rap, but Wu Tang Clan's 36 Chambers is pretty cool. Liquid Swords and Mantronix are the shit as well. If you're somehow nerdy and also inclined to hip-hop, I'd check out Deltron 3030. It's a concept album 'bout the future, and is good times.
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« Reply #155 on: February 15, 2010, 10:49:59 AM »

I didn't mean only a certain group of people can understand rap. I actually meant that comment as a reply to this (I probably should've quoted):

I think with "rap" or Hiphop as I like to call it, it's not even really about the music itself, it's the way many mainstream rappers present themselves (being openly greedy and decadent, celebrating their own stupidity etc.) turns a lot of people off.

What I'm saying is you have to understand why they talk about that stuff, and the socioeconomic background of where it all comes from. They talk about getting rich because people in the ghetto are poor (and many rappers themselves grew up poor). They talk about people getting shot because that's what happens in bad neighborhoods. Granted, some of it may be completely exaggerated or just pure entertainment or escapism, but I don't see it as a way to celebrate ignorance (unless you are talking about someone like Soulja Boy, which is indeed garbage).
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« Reply #156 on: February 15, 2010, 11:20:07 AM »

Deltron 3030

'nuff said.  Cool
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« Reply #157 on: February 15, 2010, 11:35:07 AM »

I remember being younger and really disliking both Hiphop and Country. I think this had more to do with distancing ourselves from cultures who we didn't associate with then a value judgement of the music themselves.
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« Reply #158 on: February 15, 2010, 11:57:23 AM »

I propose we just call it "stuff", "things", "junk", or "shit" that way everything can be lumped under the same umbrella and stuff.

And prepare for the wave of people making "not-stuff" just to be different. and art-stuff, and art-shit, and serious junk.

Also the argument of whether or not something is more of a stuff or a thing or junk or shit.

and if something is bad, we can call it "bunk junk".

I've already begun using these terms to describe my code and shit to people and junk though.
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« Reply #159 on: February 15, 2010, 12:38:57 PM »

I remember being younger and really disliking both Hiphop and Country. I think this had more to do with distancing ourselves from cultures who we didn't associate with then a value judgement of the music themselves.

I spent a couple of ill-fitted years down in Texas back when I was in middle school, and the country music scene was pretty prevalent. I couldn't stand the highly polished pop-y stuff, but Johnny Cash and Hank Williams Sr. are fucking cowboys. Cash was a speed freak and Williams did opiods, and both sang about the real blues -- not love songs to their tractors. If anybody knows of any drifter/outlaw country that's decent give it a shout-out, ya'll.
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« Reply #160 on: February 15, 2010, 04:54:19 PM »

Of course my all time favorite game is the "Debate whether it's a game" game.
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« Reply #161 on: February 15, 2010, 06:19:04 PM »

As an attempt to acutally contribute something on topic: I think we should focus on whether the game is 'good' or not rather than what genre to shoehorn it into. If a game's shit it doesn't matter if it's art of not. The gameplay should always be at the forefront, and any 'message' should come as a result of it. "The mechanic is the message" is something Costik wrote a while back and it's stuck with me since. If an ortolson video of your game is all it takes to grok your game's message it's bad. Or rather, if a video of gameplay accomplishes the same goal as actually playing the damn thing you have a bad game on your hand.

Also, if a game's bad I wouldn't care if it's art or not. Call it circular logic if you want, but it beats smashing my head against a wall debating the merits of a pretty tech demo.
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« Reply #162 on: February 16, 2010, 04:15:59 AM »

i think if one wants to make an art-work that's also a game
it'll become either a disfunctional game and/or a poor artwork.



there might be a nice genre-title hiding in those words  Well, hello there!
but anyway, these type of discussion are mainly about everybody's different definitions of games and art
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« Reply #163 on: February 16, 2010, 06:33:20 AM »

They should all be called games cus i think more and different types of experiences can come out of different interactive art or games rather than just fun. a game could be fun to one person but horrifying and emotionally scarring to another. There really isn't a way to give all kinds of 'audience reactions' as 'genres' because you never know how someone will feel about it.

I think everyone who wants to branch out should just push the medium of 'games' and try and change peoples' views of what a 'game' can be. that way all this hub-bub is out of the way and the mainstream won't look down upon all of 'artware' or 'art games'. they'll just see that it's a 'game' and it'll be more of a surprise about what kind of game when they play it....rather than expecting 'rpg, first person shooter, or top down action' every time... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #164 on: February 16, 2010, 10:41:43 AM »

If an ortolson video of your game is all it takes to grok your game's message it's bad.

i play those games so you don't have to.                  also, TehDustin
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