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[baconman]

Prognosis: More sprites and sounds in place. Couple of placeholder BG's too; they look nice, but completely clash with the lo-fi look of the gameplay graphics. I've got some things to get busy with in the meantime, but I'm just about ready to post some mockups. Couple of graphical things, like a neat title screen, a couple of BG's/splash screens, a 24x24/48x48 tile-friendly font and a slight lack of critters have me set back a little bit.

[baconman]

NOTE TO SELF: Programming logic, part 1. THE ROOMS.

START

- Title
} load controller configs (settings.ini)
} check for savegame (*.nfo)
>> F: [New Game], [Configure] or [Exit]
>> T: [Continue], [New Game], [Configure] or [Exit]

-Exit
} Exit application; END.

- Configure
> Sound Effects Volume
> Music Volume
> Keyboard Controls = (set and loop back, save "settings.ini")
> Alternative Controls (Gamepads, etc.)
> Exit (save settings.ini, to [Title])

- Continue
> Select Savegame
} to [Continue Play]

- New Game
} *RNG spritegender (49% male, 49% female, 2% combination thereof - 1% being each combo)
} *RNG spritetop (variable combines with spritegender)
} *RNG spritebottom
} *RNG haircolor
} *RNG skincolor
} *RNG favecolor //color of wardrobe, friendly critters, optimal powerups (R)
} *RNG lastcolor //second color of wardrobe
} *RNG name1 //first name, an actual "name name" - at least one per alphabet letter/gender
} *RNG name2 //"space", or a conjunction like "the" or "of" - one tile wide
} *RNG name3 //have fun with this one! (all names = R)
} *RNG jpower //main attack (R)
} *RNG kpower //jumping agility power (R)
} *RNG lpower //other mobility-based power (R)
} *RNG zone1 //these determine the zones to play. Margin of Error = 6
} *RNG zone2 //Margin of Error = 5
} *RNG zone3 //MoE = 4
} *RNG zone4 //MoE = 3
} *RNG zone5 //MoE = 2 (DeadZone is hardcoded, and always has MoE of 1; so that's not a variable)
} *RNG music1 //determines musical instrument role (R)
} *RNG music2 //determines dancing variables
} *RNG music3 //presets one song timing pattern for a "signature sound," like a special move
} *RNG fight1 //determines super move system (R)
} *RNG fight2 //determines function of special "5th" button during fighting (R)
} *RNG friend1 //references an NPC as a friend in Zone 1
} *RNG friend2
} *RNG friend3
} *RNG friend4
} *RNG friend5 //you get no friends in DeadZone!
} *RNG foe00 //persists in every zone
} *RNG foe01
} *RNG foe02
} *RNG foe03
} *RNG foe04
} *RNG foe05
...
} *RNG foe30 //foes 6-30 will appear more as "contenders" instead of actual foes
} *RNG objective1 //main platformer objective (R)
} *RNG objective2 //main adventure objective (R)
} *RNG objective3 //main race and chase objective (R)
} *RNG objective4 //left available for splitting racing from shmup objectives (//R)
} *RNG objective5 //musical instrumenting/dancing bonus objective, like combo or full life (R)
} *RNG objective6 //bonus fighter objective, much the same way (R)

} generate char1 by doing "*"
} display relevant info (R) and basic sprite until any input
} generate char2 by doing "*"
} display relevant info and basic sprite until any input
} generate char3 by doing "*"
} display relevant info and basic sprite until any input
> select between [char1] [char2] or [char3]
> Edit Name? (T: input name, save changed name)
> select between [simple] [tactic] //3-button basic fighter (P/K/S) or 5-button technical input (LP/LK/HP/HK/S)
> select between [froll] [fchg] [ftap] //preferred fighting special inputs
} Create savegame from info (%char%.nfo)
} to Continue Play

...

[baconman]

-Continue Play

} load savegame (%char%.nfo)

} *RNG gametype //sets type of game for challenge
} *RNG zone1..zone5 //affiliates a zone with type of challenge
} *RNG widget //sets a level theme, based on outcome and "gametype" variable
} produce levelname //use variables above to produce an understandable level title and display appropriate icons

} generate part1 by doing "*" //choice 1 on day planner
} generate part2 "
} generate part3 "
} generate part4 "
} generate part5 "
} generate part6 "

} display part1..part6 in day planner screen (replan)
> choose between [part1] [part2] [part3] [part4] [part5] or [part6] for morning
} disable rechoosing morning
> choose between [part1] [part2] [part3] [part4] [part5] or [part6] for noon, or [back]
} disable rechoosing morning or noon
> choose between [part1] [part2] [part3] [part4] [part5] or [part6] for evening, or [back]

} display morning, noon, evening
> Confirm?
>> T: to PlayChallenge
>> F1: [back]
>> F2: to (replan) //above

...

[baconman]

-Dynamic Music Generator

} lookup (zone1..zone5) and reference to determine appropriate tempo, pitch, and style
} RNG lead1 //one lead instrument of song, other = music1 player variable; plays intros and solos
} *RNG notes1 //a series of 1-4 inputs, in a sequence of 8.
} *RNG notes2
} *RNG notes3
} *RNG notes4
} *RNG timing1 //takes sequences, and makes structured/timed melodies of notes of them
} *RNG timing2 //main styles will be in sequences of 16, IE: 1/16 notes
} *RNG timing3 //Some zones will feature "style" sequences of 12s instead...
} *RNG timing4 //for folk, waltz, or blues styles; or combine for "experimental" sounds.
} *read music3 //load and utilize "signature sound" for music1 - the player instrument
} *RNG structure //poetic structures, like linear or limerick, to name a couple

} do "*" to produce intro, trim half to lead1, then half to lead1 + music1 //may be same!
} do "*" to produce verse
} do "*" to produce chorus
} RNG solo1a //a half-verse timing sequence
} RNG solo1b //second half, mix and match
} RNG solo2a
} RNG solo2b
} RNG outro //buildup, chorus fade, "big rock ending," lead1 or music1 alone ending

} save data for easy reference in %char%.nfo; four songs per zone, plus one "theme" song
//song3 and song4 per zone will be mixed together into a long, epic/progressive kind of song; so there's really only three songs, but still four variables for it.
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LOGIC BREAK:

Poetic structues will work like: notes1+timing1 in beat sets, one timing variable will be associated with, and replaced by music3, the "signature sound" timing variable, but only by the player's instrument, possibly by the main1 variable as well. Solo1a/1b is played by main1 (sometimes the player, sometimes not), overlapping other instruments playing the verse; Solo2a/2b is played by music1 (the player), overlapping other instruments playing the chorus. Only some poetic structures support solos, however; and some may only use one or the other.

"Playing a song" then, is simply a matter of the program reading the appropriate poetic structure, and referencing the variables above in doing so. Epic/Progressive songs simply add the "song3" and "song4" variables to that ("song3+notes1+timing1", for instance), in various kinds of crisscrossing structures.

[baconman]

  *catches breath*

-PlayChallenge

} +1 to "days" in %char%.nfo, and save
//FIRST AND FOREMOST! You lose or ragequit? Too bad. Have an accident, instead? It's just a game, it's not that important.
} recall (morning)
} produce level1 and play //"produce" depends more on gametype.

} WIN: display results1 until input //one-section results/evaluation kind of screen
} recall (noon)
} produce level2 and play

} WIN: display results1 until input
} recall (evening)
} produce level3 and play

} WIN: display results1 until input
} display results2 //full day's evaluation
} bonus conditions met?
}} T: to BonusGame //play a bonus game, determined by "days/10" then go to ContinueScreen
}} F: to ContinueScreen

} LOSE: display results1 until input
} display results0 //identical to results2, but in a gloomy "you lose" tone
} to ContinueScreen

- ContinueScreen
} are days>=30
}} T: rename %char%.nfo to %char%.npc
} display ending //unsure of constructing this atm.
> choose between [exit] //no really, that's your only choice now.
}} F: ...
> choose between [exit] [continue]
} (exit) to Title
} (continue) to ContinuePlay //above
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Well, that's a decent amount of progress for today, at least. I guess I'll get into the gametype generation breakdown over the next week or two. Sucky thing is, I HAVE the logic in place - but that doesn't make it code yet.

If you've happened to see Gentrieve and the algorhythm for it's room and lock-node generation, as well as how I plan to make room placement (PGC Metvania thread in Design), it pretty much follows the same kind of logic; it just happens to reference a few widget/obstacle seeds based on things like jpower/kpower/lpower variables, and the "widget" seed in the level generator. They are then (re?)positioned mathmatically from a key point by the zone's margin of error variable, which also determines enemy population and placement as well, in different ways that are both distractive AND constructive to the player.

The bonus games are designed to test luck, reflexes, memory, etc.; which are then precisely calculated/rated to the player's %char%.nfo file, to be referenced in NPC conditions. This also deliberately includes statistics such as distance to reactions (such as avoiding/blocking attacks), favorite attacking/manuevering techniques, how you use your powers in timing or combination with one another, powerup preferences, musical accuracy, etc.

The bonus games appearing will correlate to how well you accomplish your bonus objectives; doing more of them will give you more chances in the bonus game. The results are always saved as a solid number too, so the higher you get your numbers, the more formidable an NPC you'll create as a result.

Finally, I'm thinking that since it works with the critters, perhaps the "friends or foes" thing should simply be based on the favecolor variable - but regardless of that, the friendly NPCs will be recolored to match you, and foe ones (if they match) will be recolored to differenciate them from you.

[baconman]

So a breakdown of zones, and variables they generate:

zone = Brick City

shortmap = 10w2h //10 screens wide, 2 screens high
longmap = 15w2h
moe = 6 //margin of error
mapdir = right

musicbpm = 180
musicpoem = linear

widget1 = pipemaze
widget2 = tracklifts
//widget3 = pinball //?

color1 = red
color2 = gray
color3 = teal

critter1 = footsie //the metool-style critter
critter2 = crawly //the spider
critter3 = roboteye //big eye robot ride
critter4 = doghound //obvious
critter5 = tweeter //beezo, parry, pidge, etc.
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zone = Jackpot Circus

shortmap = 7w3h
longmap = 8w4h
moe = 6
mapdir = up

musicbpm = 170
musicpoem = blues //12ths, arranged so it's like a 106 bpm jazzy beat

widget1 = pinball
widget2 = slots
widget3 = cannons

color1 = purple
color2 = green
color3 = gold

critter1 = porkuspine //spiny roller
critter2 = trunx //elephant
critter3 = pitfaller //up'n'down
critter4 = menus //menus mytrap
critter5 = jurkey //the bigger bird
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zone = Chemical Sewer

shortmap = 5w4h
longmap = 6w5h
moe = 5
mapdir = down

musicbpm = 150
musicpoem = funk //think Chemical Plant or Hydrocity Zone, here; mixed blues/linear

widget1 = pipemaze
widget2 = currents
//widget3 = undecided

color1 = gray
color2 = purple
color3 = green

critter1 = footsie
critter2 = sawtooth //Klampon-like gator, rides like Rambi
critter3 = crawly
critter4 = jawbreaker //Enguarde-like shark
critter5 = toadyu //frog
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zone = Undersea Base

shortmap = 3w7h
longmap = 3w10h
moe = 4
mapdir = up

musicbpm = 120
musicpoem = limerick

widget1 = currents
widget2 = bramble
widget3 = pipemaze

color1 = navy
color2 = green
color3 = brown

critter1 = pitfaller
critter2 = sawtooth
critter3 = footsie
critter4 = jawbreaker
critter5 = toadyu
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zone = Tall Tower

shortmap = 2w10h
longmap = 2w15h
moe = 4
mapdir = up

musicbpm = 140
musicpoem = linear

widget1 = tracklifts
widget2 = cloudlifts
widget3 = currents //by this, I mean wind gusts. It's the same thing, just not underwater.

color1 = orange
color2 = yellow
color3 = gray

critter1 = footsie
critter2 = jurkey
critter3 = buzzkill
critter4 = toadyu
critter5 = tweeter
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zone = Bushy Jungle

shortmap = 7w3h
longmap = 10w3h
moe = 5
mapdir = right

musicbpm = 130
musicpoem = funk

widget1 = cannons
widget2 = bramble
widget3 = swinging

color1 = green
color2 = brown
color3 = orange

critter1 = porkuspine
critter2 = crawly
critter3 = trunx
critter4 = menus
critter5 = sawtooth
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zone = Icy Ruins

shortmap = 5w4h
longmap = 6w5h
moe = 3
mapdir = up,right

musicbpm = 100
musicpoem = prog //combines 2 other styles and mixes them one way

widget1 = slippery
widget2 = moretraps
widget3 = swinging

color1 = white
color2 = blue
color3 = purple

critter1 = menus
critter2 = batsy //the bat
critter3 = trunx
critter4 = crawly
critter5 = toadyu
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zone = Volcanic Cave

shortmap = 4w5h
longmap = 5w6h
moe = 3
mapdir = right,down

musicbpm = 200
musicpoem = blues

widget1 = tracklifts
widget2 = chaser
widget3 = moretraps

color1 = brown
color2 = black
color3 = navy

critter1 = batsy
critter2 = crawly
critter3 = roboteye
critter4 = doghound
critter5 = sawtooth
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zone = Altitude Canyon

shortmap = 7w3h
longmap = 10w3h
moe = 2
mapdir = right

musicbpm = 180
musicpoem = limerick

widget1 = cannons
widget2 = cloudlifts
widget3 = currents

color1 = brown
color2 = orange
color3 = black

critter1 = porkuspine
critter2 = tweeter
critter3 = jurkey
critter4 = pitfaller
critter5 = sawtooth
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zone = Gravity Core

shortmap = 4w5h
longmap = 5w6h
moe = 2
mapdir = up,right

musicbpm = 160
musicpoem = tweak //mix of blues & linear designed with 7/8 timing in mind - intentionally "weird" sounding

widget1 = gravityswitch
widget2 = tracklifts
widget3 = pipemaze

color1 = green
color2 = white
color3 = yellow

critter1 = batsy
critter2 = crawly
critter3 = roboteye
critter4 = doghound
critter5 = tweeter
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zone = DeadZone

//shortmap = *w*h //not sure what I'm gonna do with this, yet.
//longmap = *w*h
moe = 1
mapdir = *

musicbpm = * //rounded to nearest supported value
musicbpm2 = 190
musicpoem = epic //combines two other poetry styles, mixes and matches them, but differently than prog

widget1 = *
widget2 = *
widget3 = *

color1 = black
color2 = gray
color3 = white
color4 = red

critter1 = menus
critter2 = roboteye
critter3 = doghound
critter4 = jawbreaker
critter5 = sawtooth
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So these will be referenced by the map-creators in the challenge-making parts of the engine to define some of it's variables. It's pretty important to have them defined before trying to apply them, huh?

[baconman]

Building Platform Game levels:

1. Make #w+1,#h+1 room structure.
2. Offset columns (column*half room)
3. Stretch variable rooms (columns/rows) according to K-Powers:
_{-(1-2*h OR 1-2*w) Double Jump
-(1-3*h) Wall Jump/Stick and Climb
-(1-3*w) Gliding
-(1-2*w) Air Dash
-(1-2*h + 1-2*w) Ninja Jump
-(1-3*h + 1-3*w) Charge-up Freeflight
-Spin Jump (does nothing at this point)
-Super Crush (does nothing at this point)}
4. Stretch different variable rooms according to L-Powers:
_{-Mega Slide (no effect)
-1-2*w Roll Jump
-1-2*w Spin Dash
-1-2*w Sonic Speed
-Plasma Shield (no effect)
-Evasive Manuevers (no effect)}
5. Begin totally open, add 6-9 "logical walls," +1 potential "fake wall" or trap/spike wall.
_{Logical walls also take into consideration variables like your powers, zone's widgets, and the margin of error involved; and include other types like conveyors.}
6. Create one looping "horizontal barrier," and one looping "vertical barrier;" and generate starting/ending points in proximity to them. (I may add a direction variable to zones, to reflect this: so an "up" variable would place a start above the horizontal barrier somewhere, and the finish below it; the player must "loop the map" upwards then, to reach it. //For barriers, make one variable-but-looping trail of conjoining rooms in each direction solid blockoffs, so there's a solid, impenetrable room seperating the "left" and "right" sides of the level.
7. Define other key rooms (like objective-related items), then generate them with appropriately challenging obstacles. Populate remaining rooms with widgets and critters:

9-MoE critters, positioned by: //smaller margin of error = more critters
hwall-flying*48 //_{airborne or swimming enemies' "flying" will be RNG'ed, ceiling-hangers will be "-1", ground-based will be 1... Gravity Core, however? Probably a geometric value will be added for that; maybe a vwall variable as well... I suppose a check/unique formula is a good move to make in that case.}
3 max crittertypes
RNG 1-5 widget instances, positioned by:
stretch*(hwall+MoE*24px+24*round{RNG[1..6]})

roomscreenlock=0 //adventure will feature scrolling rooms, others do not
roomscreenscroll=0 //different autoscrolls for racing and shmup styles

[baconman]

Changes to Make Adventure Levels:

1. Build #w+1, #h+1 rooms.
2. Offset rows. (instead of columns)
3-4. Stretch variable rooms according to K-Powers/L-Powers.
5. Begin totally enclosed with various wall types, then REMOVE 7-10 walls per room.
6. Create the looping barriers.
7. Define key rooms (trap rooms, song-learning rooms, etc.), and generate obstacle walls in other rooms taking into consideration the "mapdir" variable. Also, generate conditional walls, triggered with stuff like switches, pushblocks, or clearing the room of enemy critters. Populate the rooms appropriately.
8. Change roomscreenlock=1; so that the game feels more room-based/dungeon-like in this aspect.

Changes to make Race 'n' Chase levels:
1. Build #+1w, #+1h rooms.
2-4. Stretch rows or variables appropriate to player variables and friendly critter(s). //Remove offset step.
5. Generate sets of walls with "mapdir" in consideration. //Right creates more hwalls, Up/Down creates more vwalls.
6. Generate a single barrier (vertical OR horizontal, via mapdir) that wraps around the level.
7. Layer together the structures on one side of the barrier, and then layer together the structures on the other, to make the different "lanes."
8. Generate an appropriate starting point (to mount your friendly critter of choice), and link that with a starting position point on the map.
9. Loop one side of the barrier (in mapdir's direction) to the other, and establish a finishing point.
10. Populate the screens with other critters and widgets, and generate competitors. ("7-MoE" critters; one or two widgets per "MoE*screens" so later zones are increasingly more widget-dependent)
11. Change roomscreenscroll=2 //This will auto-scroll the engine ala Doomsday Zone - there is autoscrolling and you get a certain degree of favorable momentum as a result of independent physics, but you can advance the screen yourself quicker, as well.

Shmup is similar, but will generate patterns/formations of critters and shot variations. Competitors' AI will also battle to destroy you, rather than trying to outrun you; and it uses roomscreenscroll=1, a more smooth scrolling speed. Both of these may affect facing direction regardless of movement (IF mapdir=right); but I'm thinking of still allowing aiming in either direction anyhow.

Fighting and Music will take place in "arena" stages instead. More on that later.

[baconman]

Much of the assets I want to mess with are in, now; and I'm getting pretty close to a few semi-complete sprites. Other than NGPC chars', I was mainly going with the Chumbucket outlines; but each of those choices still have some gaps to fill in. (IE: One another's fortes.)

I'm also debating on going with copypaste hairstyles, or possibly using GM's particle engine to make "dynamic hair" on the ChumChums. It sounds corny, and I'm not entirely sure how I'm gonna pull it off just yet (besides timing a lifespan to correspond with their hair length), but I also don't wanna make it look like all the characters' heads are on fire, either.



  This thing is gonna be BIG, I just know it. Hopefully though, once I get the base-characters fleshed out (IE: the Chumbucket ones), I can recompile this with considerably fewer sprites and more simple variation thereof; and that should drop the size back to being managable.


EDIT: Up to making objects/rooms now.

[guillermo]

This sounds crazy awesome, pretty ambitious as well, I always dream of a game I can play and replay for ages and this may well be it. 

Planning is key in a project like this, also how you develop it is important, as I know it will be taxing so you gotta know how to tackle it in order to keep your motivation high.

keep it up! Maybe it's still too soon but I can't wait to see something playable soon. 

[Big3D]

Hi, Im Dustin, I know Baconman personally and have been talking with him about this project since it was first brought up, since I am an aspiring Graphic artist, I took on the task of creating critters.  From the basic ideas I was giving I kinda ran with it and came up with some pretty good ideas.  I figured that if Baconman will allow ill post some of the critters on here and see what kind of feedback I get and any suggestions, since this is quite a new area for me... I normally go for the high def stuff and with this its 2D sprites.  So maybe soon there will be some pics of a few critters I have created.

I started making these critters about 2 hours ago and so far I have 3 critters with "walking" animations down, the ideas keep coming!

[baconman]

Post whatever you'd like, D! How do you want to appear in the credits?

I've finished the semi-mockups and descriptions of critters/zones, but it's all on paper, atm. Finally, if you haven't already; the "Announcements" forum has a compulsive "introduce yourself" thread. That's always our second or third post here, since we're always eager to get our ears wet here!

[baconman]

 

Okay. There's a bit more coding to this than I first expected, but that's fine. I think I'm about 5-10% through the initial player, objects and collisions, now - and that's BEFORE troubleshooting them. And then comes room/map generation and song generation. Crunching this out is gonna take some time, alright. So in the meantime...

What are the funnest unique features/widgets you've all seen in games like this? Platformers, Metroidvanias, Adventures, Racers, Shmups, Fighters, Musical Games... heck, even RPG battle systems, Puzzle games/minigames, or offbeat Sports titles (like that golfing in Wario Land 3, for instance)?

[Big3D]

Ok here is and album that i will keep images uploaded

http://www.pix8.net/pro/album_folder.php?u_id=25221xiy8G&f_id=45589


you can check it whenever, and anytime i finish or need an opinion ill upload something there
I have about 7 creatures design basics done, im not gonna deal with too much animation or anything till i get the basic design finished

[Sir Raptor]

Don't talk about the golfing in Wario Land 3. That was the single most annoying part of the game.

Also, card games within the game itself. Final Fantasy Triple Triad, anyone?