he just meant roughly 15 minutes or so, just as an example of how long it might take a gifted person to learn.
I'm calm; I'm making a point about different people's ability to grasp "depth." Tic tac toe seems pretty engaging to 5 year olds, after all. I talked about my life experience of chess because it has meant different things to me at different points in my life. None of those points has ever included "formal chess study," which is exactly what chess means to a large class of chess players out there. Possibly the majority: are you really a chess player if you don't
study opening books and so forth? Yet I play chess decently against many of them; go figure. One of the problems with these discussions, is that if we can't establish objective metrics for "depth," it disappears into the realm of the subjective pretty quickly. That in turn makes some people upset.
But which game is more hardcore, less casual? chess or d&d?
Historically that has changed also. AD&D went through a fad phase in the early 1980s when literally everybody
was playing it. Everybody in 6th grade, even normal girls. That was my memory of it. People weren't geeks for doing it. Then some people got killed for real in some caves underneath MIT, and all the media hoopla about violence and Satanism got started. Then the fad shrunk back down to its core audience, the socially less skilled creative escapist nerds that played the game before, and have played the game ever since. My dorm in college had a big contingent of such people. Probably because the dorm was a Tudor castle, had a real armorer working in the basement, and the Society for Creative Anachronism practiced on the front lawn every Sunday afternoon. We called the D&D players "CLRries," which was short for "Central Living Room," the place where they gathered to play D&D. The joke was that there were only 3 permissible topics of conversation at the dorm's dinner tables: sex, computers, and D&D.
BTW when I bring up some of these details of my own life, it's so you can compare them to your own lives and see if there's any "aha" of cultural pattern. You ever known your own "CLRries?" What does that say about the casualness or hardcoreness of D&D?
How would you objectively measure the depth of chess? or D&D? Can their depths be meaningfully compared?