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« Reply #1700 on: January 23, 2011, 12:52:51 PM »

What's funny about Rohrer games is that their main focus wasn't message in the first place. Message was just a tools to explore how to express things solely with mechanics.

Some blogger stop dead on message and everybody against the "shallowness of the message" was quick to point that's not new, hence amorcing the shifting of game as challenge towards gameplay as message.

Rohrer win at the end because we now see gameplay as conveyor of message!
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« Reply #1701 on: January 23, 2011, 12:57:13 PM »

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« Reply #1702 on: January 23, 2011, 12:59:48 PM »

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« Reply #1703 on: January 23, 2011, 01:14:07 PM »

The guy reads Nietzsche and has the guts to say that novels are bad. Wait, what.
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« Reply #1704 on: January 23, 2011, 01:17:03 PM »

He could have answered "I have 324 friends".

How would that have changed anything?

And what the fuck did it have to do with the topic of the thread?

You just don't know what "moderation" means in the context of a discussion. Which explains why your forum is a sewer.

It's telling that this is what you decide to jump on...

Anyway, he could have answered "I don't have many friends, but it's not relevant to my points about games". That would have been satisfactory, too. He could even have said "Shut up, fagot. BANNED." The fact that he deleted that post when he jumps on so many other irrelevant posts supports my hypothesis that icycalm is just another typical friendless hipster-hater. And in the context of his philosophy, which seems to have a LOT to do with people's character and intentions, I think that's a relevant point. From an artfag's point of view, at least.

It's also funny because in the same thread he makes fun of TIGSource for deleting posts. And I agree, it's a bad practice in general - mods have been removed over here because of it. Tongue

But if you think good moderation in the context of a discussion means banning people for such serious offenses as disagreeing with you, you deserve to get berated by icycalm... which is the glorious fate of all of his lapdogs.

By the way, Rohrer is wrong here:

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There's no "right" way to play Passage

There is a "right" way to play Passage, but it involves holding shift and pressing delete.

Hey, instead of making cute insults at Jason (whose absence from this thread speaks very highly of his character), I'm curious if you have anything to say about the points I made in my last post. I put some time into them hoping to hear from you. And AshfordPride, guitar_mobster, et al.
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« Reply #1705 on: January 23, 2011, 01:20:49 PM »

Nietzsche is more or less the prototypical nerd with a superiority complex (OK, probably Schopenhauer). That's why so many lonely internet geeks identify with him. Oh and he died a virgin too, so that's a nice bonus.

It's also funny because in the same thread he makes fun of TIGSource for deleting posts. And I agree, it's a bad practice in general - mods have been removed over here because of it. Tongue
No one deleted anything here on TIGSource. The post in question is still there. Tony The Genius is simply too dumb to read the same page twice. And he likes his delusion that people hate him because they "can't handle his opinions" too much.
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« Reply #1706 on: January 23, 2011, 01:31:42 PM »

Nietzsche was ban for quoting zarathustra
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« Reply #1707 on: January 23, 2011, 01:32:52 PM »

I didn't say he wants to be popular, I said he's mainly interested in popularity... namely, other people's popularity, which is why so many of his articles mention how popular the game is. Is that really relevant to the game's value?

It's worth it if you're also interested in a picking a few bones with the community surrounding the game, which icycalm tends to do.  If he posts about the disgusting behavior of artfags in one essay, and then talks about how artfags are being disgusting concerning the game he's talking about, it seems like a worthwhile endeavor.  It's considering how other people valued the game and then purposing your own.  It's golden calf toppling, what he seems to be doing at the moment.  

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Just read his own words, Ashford. But I think he does want to be popular, in a sense - the fact that you're repeating his lines about "burning bridges" just proves that the line worked on you. Going for the "anti-hero" angle doesn't make it any less about popularity.

All I'm saying is that if he really was vying for popularity, he certainly made a lot of mistakes.  Compare him to someone like Tim Rogers, who makes ever effort to saturate what must be over a dozen outlets where he can communicate with people over the internet.  

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As for the last part: "a select few people he feels are intelligent enough to understand them"... do you realize how pathetic that sounds?


A little, actually, if provided with enough implications to frame me as some icycalm cultist.  I don't agree with icycalm to sound smart, I agree with him because the things he thinks sync up with the things I think.

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He's patronizing you to try and make you feel special for not being "subhuman".
He's literally calling one group of people "subhuman" and appealing to your low sense of self worth by separating you artificially from that group.

Ouch.

Well, I really never felt like I identified myself with icycalm.  I never really tend to mention him, and I certainly don't think I'm parroting anything he says.  If anything, I'm parroting Anarkex.  I don't have a lot to gain by agreeing with a stranger on the internet, Derek.  In fact, after I post in one of these threads, I'm more concerned with how stupid icycalm probably thinks half of the things I said are rather than how he's so eager to congratulate my triumphant victory over da homos.  We have the sort of relationship any strangers over the internet can have, we read what each other have to say and react to them.  You guys are the ones that keep trying to align me with icycalm, which is true, but I certainly don't go about flaunting it unless pressed.

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Don't kid yourself that he actually thinks you're intelligent for regurgitating what he says. You are not in the storied line of philosopher-kings... but it serves him that you think you might be.

I'll never meet the guy, and I'll probably never have direct contact with him again.  The best I can hope is that I say something new that he's impressed with.  Anarkex managed this a few times, I'm still trying to get a piece of that hot icycalm cock.  

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I'm honestly not the best advocate for maturity,

I never would've guessed.

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Why don't you just ask me, in text, if I have any friends, and I'll either ignore you or address why it's not true/unimportant. An erect cock is porn and would be scrubbed as porn. The reason a single line of text was scrubbed was because it makes him look bad.

Derek do you have friends?

If yes, turn to page 145, where I will tell you that you are obviously lying to try to cover up the fact that you are a lonely loser.  This also may invalidate everything you have ever said, who knows?

If no, turn to page 68, where you don't have any friends.

If you choose to ignore my post, turn to page 79, where my post was so scathing and biting that you were unable to properly coordinate any sort of response that wouldn't make you seem like a desperate loser trying to cover up the fact that you don't have any friends.

If you choose to delete my post, turn to page 13, where the comment left you so butthurt that the very fact that it still exists on your forum serves as a constant reminder of the harsh reality you are forced to exist in.

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« Reply #1708 on: January 23, 2011, 01:42:02 PM »

Why does AshfordPride seem like a nice guy all of a sudden?  WTF
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« Reply #1709 on: January 23, 2011, 01:43:01 PM »

I am not partial to Nietzsche quotes, I like Oscar Wilde quotes better.

Quote from: Oscar Wilde
It is through art, and through art only, that we can realize our perfection; through art and art only that we can shield ourselves from the sordid perils of actual existence.
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« Reply #1710 on: January 23, 2011, 01:44:04 PM »

Oscar Wilde was an artfag. Wink
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« Reply #1711 on: January 23, 2011, 01:46:14 PM »

But but but...

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Nietzsche, who was an expert on women, who knew all there was to know about them -- all that a man needs to know, at any rate

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Icy certainly cares about other people, he's involved in "the struggle between men to determine who will shape the future."

But he's interested in influencing the masses indirectly, by influencing the 2nd tier elite, who'll then go out and promulgate and support his ideas, until they filter down to the subhumans. That's what the huge Schopenhauer dump in his last essay was about. Apparently. Also! The elite have to share his tastes.

But if you think good moderation in the context of a discussion means banning people for such serious offenses as disagreeing with you, you deserve to get berated by icycalm... which is the glorious fate of all of his lapdogs.

As a berated and banned forum poster I can confirm that this fate is indeed glorious.
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« Reply #1712 on: January 23, 2011, 01:47:34 PM »

Oscar Wilde was an artfag. Wink
An artfag who was also a smartass!
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« Reply #1713 on: January 23, 2011, 01:55:22 PM »

But he's interested in influencing the masses indirectly, by influencing the 2nd tier elite, who'll then go out and promulgate and support his ideas, until they filter down to the subhumans. That's what the huge Schopenhauer dump in his last essay was about. Apparently. Also! The elite have to share his tastes.
You do realize how batshit insane all of this sounds, right?

Also, about sharing tastes. What if you share his tastes but don't agree with his views?
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« Reply #1714 on: January 23, 2011, 01:57:52 PM »

Why does AshfordPride seem like a nice guy all of a sudden?  WTF

Because I'm not talking about video games to someone like P Diddy. 
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« Reply #1715 on: January 23, 2011, 01:58:30 PM »

What's funny about Rohrer games is that their main focus wasn't message in the first place. Message was just a tools to explore how to express things solely with mechanics.



their main focus wasn't message in the first place
to explore how to express things solely with mechanics.



focus wasn't message
how to express things solely with mechanics.



message
how to express things
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« Reply #1716 on: January 23, 2011, 02:02:21 PM »

content is not container moi Tongue
It was about HOW rather than WHAT
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« Reply #1717 on: January 23, 2011, 02:04:16 PM »

You do realize how batshit insane all of this sounds, right?

No, I don't. It isn't Icy's idea anyway. It's Schopenhauer's. (My interpretation of Icy's earlier explanation, anyway.)

Also, about sharing tastes. What if you share his tastes but don't agree with his views?

Can you separate the two? They are connected... they may be one and the same.

He likes complexity, and he dislikes gayness. Those are tastes.

But you can reformulate them into: Complexity is good. Gayness is bad. These seem to be views.

So... yeah.
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« Reply #1718 on: January 23, 2011, 02:07:18 PM »



He likes complexity, and he dislikes gayness.
Yet he likes Korn?
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« Reply #1719 on: January 23, 2011, 02:08:59 PM »

But he's interested in influencing the masses indirectly, by influencing the 2nd tier elite, who'll then go out and promulgate and support his ideas, until they filter down to the subhumans. That's what the huge Schopenhauer dump in his last essay was about. Apparently. Also! The elite have to share his tastes.

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