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« Reply #4380 on: February 27, 2011, 12:43:37 AM »

All I will say is, most people are like children that don't know what's best for themselves.

Haha! Maybe, maybe not. You can talk about social games and Skinner boxes if you like... but regardless, what a colossally arrogant claim!
Is it really?  Children exist, so some people must be like children, because they are children.  You can replace "most" with a different determiner or percentage until it stops sounding arrogant to you, I guess.  What I see as arrogance is the belief that all people suddenly become equal upon reaching a certain age.  Perhaps you think it's arrogant for parents to treat their children this way in the first place, though.  I know I did... when I was a child.

Some people are children, of course, but most video-gamers aren't children - mean age was in the 30s, last time I saw statistics? - so treating them (in aggregate) as though they were children seems pretty unwarranted to me.

Certainly different people of the same age will have different levels of maturity and intelligence... but in general, most children are significantly less mature than most adults. It's generally fairly easy to tell a child from an adult, even in a space so anonymized as the Internet; their lack of maturity will show through. (This of course grows more difficult with the age of the child...) The "specific age" thing is generally an artifact of lawmaking ("age of majority", etc). Certainly it's unfair, but I don't think anyone actually believes that people become vastly more mature at the exact date of their 16th, 18th, or 21st birthday. Problem is that it's very difficult to practically test maturity, so age is used as a very rough stand-in; it's not good, but it's better than nothing. (The above paragraph rambles on far too much. I apologize.)

As for the last two sentences - I've read them about half a dozen times now, and I really have no idea what it's trying to say. You think that I feel that it would be arrogant for parents to treat their children like children...? As an analogy between you (us) and the general body of gamers...? That can't be right.

(I assume you wouldn't class yourself among those 'children'?)
No, I have the honesty to recognize some ways in which I am still a child, as well as the ways I used to be.

For an on-topic example of the former, this is exactly how I would feel if I tried to pick a shooting game, because it is a genre I know very little about. I would be like a kid set loose in a candy store, grabbing at anything bright and colorful, swallowing without tasting, stuffing myself until I was sick, then complaining later that the experience wasn't as good as I thought it would be.

Even for genres I already loved, reading Insomnia heightened my senses, making me not only a better player but a more aware player.  With a more considered approach, I enjoy games now more than I ever have before, barring perhaps some of the highest points of enthusiasm when I was younger.  And I am very grateful for it.

Interesting! Essentially, you're saying that people can't enjoy games (or enjoy them 'poorly', 'like children') without expertise in the genre?

You mentioned about a post ago that learning the rules of a game is one of the largest joys of gaming (paraphrased) - which I would agree with - so the idea that you can't enjoy games well until you've passed that initial, learning stage seems strange to me. Would you like to clarify?
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« Reply #4381 on: February 27, 2011, 12:58:26 AM »

The obvious explanation is usually the right one, unless you're bias like everyone here.
I'm sure some people here care, they're just affraid to speak out against the cyber-mob.

What? What the fuck are you talking about?
Why would people be 'biased' to think that milk is not icycalm?
What cyber-mob are you talking about, and what exactly would this mob do to someone who spoke out in your favour?
Seriously, the web of vague conspiracies that you're spinning is beginning to seem even crazier than icycalm's.


Also PleasingFungus get out, this thread is now for discussing which posters are/are not icycalm.
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« Reply #4382 on: February 27, 2011, 01:04:02 AM »

But he's not a crazy nut job who studies the grammar and fragmentations and tone and linguism to such a perfect savant level either.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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« Reply #4383 on: February 27, 2011, 01:05:58 AM »

r u crazy nut job?? or r u... icyclam
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« Reply #4384 on: February 27, 2011, 01:08:37 AM »

@ Broom


bias as in:  if it is said by me, it's automatically wrong because P Diddy is th bad guy.

When I connected guitar_mobster to Icycalm, I didn't use proof, I just said "trust me it's him", and it was enough, and I saw a ton of people like Derek and Dragonmaw and Sinclair and Robf... agree.

But because I'm the type that says what's on his mind, I got in trouble many times with many people on this thread. So when I make an even better case against milk...  you know the rest:  pure denial.

Although Paul is objective.

And anyways Derek said something about how oearj=Josh.  Did you hear anyone ask for more proof?



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« Reply #4385 on: February 27, 2011, 01:10:06 AM »

r u crazy nut job?? or r u... icyclam


I could never copy Icycalm like milk, never in a million years.  The things I spotted were only after the fact with some "ctrl+f" in his post history and google "site" search.


edit:  spelling:  "goole" was corrected to "google"
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« Reply #4386 on: February 27, 2011, 01:14:05 AM »

o.. just crazy stalker  Sad
milk stopped postin btw.. this could be another data for u
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« Reply #4387 on: February 27, 2011, 01:16:32 AM »

Also PleasingFungus get out, this thread is now for discussing which posters are/are not icycalm.

k cool

(I am also icycalm, you abortion)

(quelle surpise)
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« Reply #4388 on: February 27, 2011, 01:21:04 AM »

Wow, PleasingFungus, why don't you be a little more condescending while you're putting words in my mouth and missing the point besides.  I mean, thanks for explaining to me why age of majority laws exist, as if I am an alien with no concept of your Earth practices.  That really helped.  Sheesh.  And those last two paragraphs, where you place the error on my lack of clarity instead of your lack of comprehension...

But, let me try again:

1. Children, left to their own devices, will make themselves miserable.
2. This is not a trait that is cured with age, but proper guidance.
3. Parents/teachers/critics/philosophers provide that guidance.
4. Children often resist this kicking and screaming.

Please do not make me "clarify" why this applies to adults, video games, icycalm, or any of the other topics in this thread.  It's a very simple point.  I understand that you are trying to pay close attention to the exact words being used, which is a good habit, but you will never get anywhere without making some generalizations.
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« Reply #4389 on: February 27, 2011, 01:52:27 AM »


milk stopped postin btw.. this could be another data for u




hmmm... that data doesn't mean much to me.  I found some other stuff that's better, but I refrained from posting it because it wasn't good enough.  Anyways whatever I'll post it for fun...


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The more astute of you



  sounds like:


Quote from: Icycalm

the more astute observers


Quote from: Icycalm

to the eyes of an astute reader


Quote from: Icycalm

as any astute reader of our work




so add that to the list.


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« Reply #4390 on: February 27, 2011, 02:22:26 AM »

Dude, you just went on near 2 pages. You are a fucking nutcase. Get help.

By the way, you missed my "fagotistical" a while back. I'm disappointed.

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Why don't you go further and denounce icy for forgoing ontology as well, or whatever other fagotistical terms you can find
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« Reply #4391 on: February 27, 2011, 02:27:09 AM »


A nutcase is someone who copies Icycalm verbatim but yet never expects that a link might be made.


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As if insomnia is not the most passionate website on videogames that has ever fucking existed, as if Alex is not the most passionate videogamer to have ever lived, as if someone like you could even begin to understand passion as anything more than a romantic ideal you've heard discussed at one of your braindead little cockroach conferences.


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There is nothing but answers on Insomnia. Answers are Insomnia's raison d'être.


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And here is the Insomnia definition of fascism, rendered into human:

The philosophy of other life-forms


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subhuman


Quote from: milk

Enough!


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An artfagot developer wants to play an artfagot game. Quelle surprise.


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you illiterate little fagot


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your miserable abortion of a life.


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 --


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something something Chris Kohler


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For all your integrity you may as well be a fucking woman.


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your stupid little screensavers



(if you guys can't tell who this is, then I feel sorry for you)



edit:  ya like milk said, add "fagotistical" to that list.  Hey milk, I know who you are man, it doesn't matter what other people here think.  You know you got caught, and that's all that matters.  You're such a simpleton that I can spot you a mile away.  You fucking racist criminal.



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« Reply #4392 on: February 27, 2011, 02:59:46 AM »

@ Broom


bias as in:  if it is said by me, it's automatically wrong because P Diddy is th bad guy.

When I connected guitar_mobster to Icycalm, I didn't use proof, I just said "trust me it's him", and it was enough, and I saw a ton of people like Derek and Dragonmaw and Sinclair and Robf... agree.

But because I'm the type that says what's on his mind, I got in trouble many times with many people on this thread. So when I make an even better case against milk...  you know the rest:  pure denial.
ok...

I still want to know who the cyber-mob is and what they will do to me if I speak the truth.
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« Reply #4393 on: February 27, 2011, 03:05:58 AM »


I still want to know who the cyber-mob is and what they will do to me if I speak the truth.



You don't need to worry about the self-righteous tigsource mob. They only go after the bad guys, like me.


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« Reply #4394 on: February 27, 2011, 04:36:30 AM »

Hey, man.

How do I know you aren't icycalm?

Moreover...

How do you know you aren't?
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