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« on: February 11, 2011, 11:52:09 AM »

 I'm beginning to become torn about whether or not to have my game, Key of Ethios, be a 2D sidescroller, or a normal 3D type thing. The basis of my indecision is the concern over making boss fights epic with only two dimensions. Can anyone give me some examples of their favorite, epic 2D boss fights?
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2011, 11:56:53 AM »

The final form is sidescrolling.

EDIT: Posting that video has reminded me why the Oracle games were amazing.
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2011, 12:02:31 PM »

The final boss fight from Iji is what immediately jumped to my mind. It uses 3D space pretty well in an environment that, technically speaking, only really has two dimensions (e.g. the boss flies far away into the background and fires at you from a distance).
There's a lot of really cool boss fights in the Zelda series, as well, a few of which are in a sidescrolly perspective (and not just in Zelda II). Those don't use a lot of fake depth, but they still end up being cool in only two dimensions. If I recall correctly, the final boss in Oracle of Seasons was pretty neat, and from a side scrolling perspective.

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...Oh, and the Contra series; there's fantastic stuff there. I was especially impressed with the bosses in Contra 4.
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2011, 12:09:41 PM »

see also, from the greatest action game of all time.
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2011, 12:12:50 PM »

I've never played Gunstar Heroes; apparently I'm missing out?

Also, Cave Story does have some nice boss fights. I liked Monster X particularly.
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2011, 12:13:57 PM »

Gunstar Heroes was the peak. We made the greatest action game in 1993 and we've been going downhill since then. The only thing we've done since is make action games easier in order to represent to those less skilled at video games what playing Gunstar Heroes was actually like.

Also, I second Cave Story.
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2011, 01:40:13 PM »

Gunstar Heroes was the peak. We made the greatest action game in 1993 and we've been going downhill since then. The only thing we've done since is make action games easier in order to represent to those less skilled at video games what playing Gunstar Heroes was actually like.

I highly disagree with this statement...

ALIEN SOLDIER was the greatest action game of all time. Yessir, twenty-five epic bosses, all in a row, and I would even argue that its Seven Force is cooler too! (pro tip: alien soldier is nothing but good choices)

Then again, Dynamite Headdy had some sweet ones too, and I actually really like Gunstar Heroes...Let's just put the entire Treasure back-catalog in the list of epic 2D boss fights.
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2011, 02:39:26 PM »

I have never played Alien Soldier but I will emulate it procure it somehow.

Also: Legend of Princess
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2011, 04:01:47 PM »

i can't think of any epic 3d boss fights actually -- all of my favorite bosses are bosses of 2d games. doesn't mean they don't exist, just that i've never really encountered one yet. here's a few:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83C216WsYmc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCBtLAwVoNE

i think part of what makes boss fights epic isn't the bosses themselves, but the music. example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfez0wDCg-o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5FR_i-EbDc
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2011, 04:50:02 PM »

Look at Treasure games.

Gunstar Heros isn't as "fucking crazy" as Alien Soldier, but it is extremely solid and well balanced I'd say, the boss fights are beautifully done.

For 3D boss fights I'd point to Sin & Punishment 2... it has some unbelievable variety and creative encounters, it also works for 2d thinking as all the mechanics are simplified down to 2d... you go from rail shooter to a 1 on 1 fighting game at one point, and it never has to force new tutorials on the player because of how well designed each scenario is.
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2011, 05:18:28 PM »

Alien soldier isn't very good gameplay wise, there is almost no challenge.
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2011, 05:21:48 PM »

Noitu Love 1 and 2 had really interesting boss fights, although "epic" might be the wrong word. Lots of other games (Contra, Metal Slug, Muramasa) have it the other way around with visually impressive boss fights that do not really provide anything a barrage of normal enemies wouldn't... But to name some examples.

Yoshi's Island. I liked how the bosses were all huge versions of the normal enemies, not very imaginative but it was pulled off well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtKh7e2ESBc

Legion from the Castlevania games, for sheer creepiness factor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqxQpCqq1-o

As mentioned, Muramasa had some impressive scenes but I think this one was especially beautiful;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETtH9izE87M

Aquaria had suitably epic boss fights;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_z735AcUlU
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2011, 05:26:45 PM »


Seven Force is one of my favorite bosses ever.  Gunstar Heroes doesn't fuck around, it just throws a 7 form boss fight right at you early in the game.
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2011, 05:30:11 PM »

"Contra Hard Cops"  Gentleman Good night gentlemen
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2011, 05:39:50 PM »

anything konjak does and also metal slug games
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