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[Ness Kain]

Gamification, in today's world, is so widespread that it does not actually exist anymore. The entirety of society is about reaching goals and milestones; making tasks and processes enjoyable by creating abstract ends for them. You work a job in order to gain a promotion so that you can earn more money, which you spend to improve, allegedly, your enjoyment of the cycle. What part of that doesn't sound like a game?
Does life reflect games, or do games reflect life? Regardless, games are the most realistic art form.




(I don't know how satirical this post is. I'm sorry.)

[MaloEspada]

posting in a legendary thread full of mysteries

And I also get that people respect my oppinion more depending on what level I have.

EDIT: Wow, I just noticed that I have a level 2 instead of a one now.

[Ness Kain]

And I also get that people respect my oppinion more depending on what level I have.

I think this is funny, because you may have summarized the entire Internet right there, or at least the forum and blogosphere part of it.

[Blademasterbobo]

And I also get that people respect my oppinion more depending on what level I have.

I think this is funny, because you may have summarized the entire Internet right there, or at least the forum and blogosphere part of it.

false

I also get that people respect my oppinion more depending on what level I have.

Well that cant be true, nobody gives a shit what I say.

true

[Ness Kain]

Well, generalizations do have their exceptions.

[14113]

I also get that people respect my oppinion more depending on what level I have.

Well that cant be true, nobody gives a shit what I say.

true

Let me finish. Which is a problem for THEM.

[eiyukabe]

"Gamification, in today's world, is so widespread that it does not actually exist anymore. (followed by some more smart things)"

This, absolutely this. "gamification" feels like the "wordification" of a common, ancient concept that lures people into giving attention to a couple of key players that make TED talks and write books. Not that the concept isn't a Good Thing for people to be contemplating or that McGonagall isn't a smart and sincere person (I don't know her enough to say), but man I hate the word chosen and the sudden influx of mindshare it's taking as if it is a new thing >_<. I have a feeling it's going to become as trendy and misunderstood as the phrase "social gaming".

[Toom]

Pundits watch in apprehension as delicious beef undergoes dinnerfication.

[Paul Eres]

Gamification, in today's world, is so widespread that it does not actually exist anymore. The entirety of society is about reaching goals and milestones; making tasks and processes enjoyable by creating abstract ends for them. You work a job in order to gain a promotion so that you can earn more money, which you spend to improve, allegedly, your enjoyment of the cycle. What part of that doesn't sound like a game?
Does life reflect games, or do games reflect life? Regardless, games are the most realistic art form.

i thought of this as well a few times. this also explains why games without goals are looked down on, because most people feel that a life is largely about goals; climbing the social and career ladders, getting a pretty girlfriends, a higher degree, more fame and more money, smarter kids, cooler clothes, etc. so games in which you are doing nothing but enjoying the sensory environment or playing with things aimlessly don't fit with that, so we abstract it and have points, levels, things to collect, and so on.

the main difference is that it's possible to "beat" a game -- to get everything, do everything, get all the achievements, collect all the stars. that's not possible in real life, you can always get a more powerful position or achieve something more or get a little bit more fame. even if you're president of the united states, they *still* want to be remembered as the greatest president of the united states, and not a bad or average one, and keep going after goals.

it'd be interesting to see if there were more "not games" / art games and less goal-based games in a technological society which didn't value goal-orientation so much (for instance, the blackfoot culture or something) -- of course maybe you can't reach a technological civilization *without* being goal-oriented to a degree

[14113]

it'd be interesting to see if there were more "not games" / art games and less goal-based games in a technological society which didn't value goal-orientation so much (for instance, the blackfoot culture or something) -- of course maybe you can't reach a technological civilization *without* being goal-oriented to a degree

That's a pretty interesting proposition, that games imitate society. I guess that's due to the fact that most art imitates life, or reflects some aspect of the society in which it was created, in some way.

I wonder what the games made by the humans in wall-e would be like...

[Gabriel Verdon]

i thought of this as well a few times. this also explains why games without goals are looked down on, because most people feel that a life is largely about goals; climbing the social and career ladders, getting a pretty girlfriends, a higher degree, more fame and more money, smarter kids, cooler clothes, etc. so games in which you are doing nothing but enjoying the sensory environment or playing with things aimlessly don't fit with that, so we abstract it and have points, levels, things to collect, and so on.

Minecraft would like to have a word with you

[Paul Eres]

to me, minecraft has goals, it's just looser about which goals to pursue than some other games are. for instance, gradually crafting, improving your tools, improving your materials, remaking the world to be more to your liking, that's very goal-oriented, even if it does its goal-orientation a slightly different way than other games do.

think about how much work and effort someone had to go through to build all those giant models you see in minecraft videos (like the star trek enterprise or whatever) -- that's a very goal-oriented thing to do. it takes a lot of planning and work. it's not just playful leisure.

[TheLastBanana]

Also, Notch is adding achievements to the game (and I believe he's mentioned a story, but correct me if I'm wrong), because people have complained that there aren't enough goals in the game.

[Conker]

lol notch is ruining minecraft.

[DavidCaruso]

Not that the concept isn't a Good Thing for people to be contemplating or that McGonagall isn't a smart and sincere person (I don't know her enough to say)

Seems pretty smart and sincere to me, I mean without her Harry Potter wouldn't have ever survived.