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[Pandara_RA!]

The range nerf on Q is more consistency, seriously the range change isn't a big deal considering the rest of his spells are at that same range. if you play a ton of caitlyn you'll notice you can never poke someone at 600 range "for free" given the attack animation is the time for them to close 50 range for example, it's only late game where animations get shortened does it really have an effect, but then again spell animations are always the same so it could be different.

Anyways his BUFF and I'm not going to even call it a a nerf/buff, because besides lvl 1-3 it is is a big buff past lvl 3. at all stages regardless of item build. his combo is changed from QWQEQ to EWQEQ basically.

He gains about 4% more damage at lvl 4 then about 7% more at lvl 7 etc etc and it keeps scaling up. It becomes a huge buff if you finish your Tear into an arch now late game.

TL:DR
Ryse is buffed in terms of output in all stages of the game past lvl 3 (including his R nerf) and gains the utility of 75 movespeed.

[Paul Eres]

annie's has a long-range ult-stun to initiate with, though (which is longer than any of ryze's abilities). so what i meant was if you take any ap caster, take the longest-range ability for them, and measuring them by just that, ryze has by far the shortest range

[Pandara_RA!]

annie's has a long-range ult-stun to initiate with, though (which is longer than any of ryze's abilities). so what i meant was if you take any ap caster, take the longest-range ability for them, and measuring them by just that, ryze has by far the shortest range

The range on her ult is 600 but an effective range of 750 given that Tibbers itself has aoe spanning from the 600 range. Just for the curious about wtf hes talking about.

[Paul Eres]

also re "his combo is changed from QWQEQ to EWQEQ basically." -- check the cooldowns. the e's cooldown wasn't changed, and was always very long. using two abilities will not reduce e's cooldown very much at all; there's no way ewqeq will ever work (because there'd be a gap of about 8 seconds while you wait for the next e)

[Nillo]

annie's has a long-range ult-stun to initiate with, though (which is longer than any of ryze's abilities). so what i meant was if you take any ap caster, take the longest-range ability for them, and measuring them by just that, ryze has by far the shortest range

That only helps when Annie is level 6, though - she'll have 625 max range until that point, 75 less than current Ryze. So if Ryze meets Annie in mid (a common situation since they're both AP casters and AP casters are sent to mid) he'll dominate against her until 6 simply because he can use spells without fear of retaliation. This range nerf should even the odds a bit, and also in other similar matchups.

[Dragonmaw]

It's not really fear? I just don't want to solo queue.

duo queue with me then

I just may! I would prefer a 5 Arranged, though.

[John Sandoval]

people will refuse to admit their failures at any cost

like this veigar who missed >90 percent of his stuns and lost 2 towers in 15 minutes

and blamed it all on the jungler (panda)


HAHAHAH EVERYONE IS AT FAULT EXCEPT FOR ME

[Pandara_RA!]

people will refuse to admit their failures at any cost

like this veigar who missed >90 percent of his stuns and lost 2 towers in 15 minutes

and blamed it all on the jungler (panda)


HAHAHAH EVERYONE IS AT FAULT EXCEPT FOR ME

Yeah man, I knew he was dropping it super hard so I was building my turtle the heck out of this lane build and he dropped it instantly coming back with full hp.

Too real, you know cuz it's my fault he missed a stun  literally the size of the whole lane and got killed.

[InfiniteStateMachine]

Yeah that's what pisses me off the most about this game. People with no accountability for their actions. If you don't acknowledge your mistakes you aren't going to improve very quickly (or at all).

[Nillo]

I get frustrated a lot when I play Veigar because people expect me to go mid, even though I know I get shredded by 75% of the traditional mid champs. I should be in the bottom lane where I can farm safely so I'll be able to one-shot people after the 30 minute mark.

It can still work though, I've had games where my team put me mid and I died 3 times in a row but still came back in the lategame simply because Veigar's lategame is so incredibly badass.

[John Sandoval]

HAHAHA YOU NOOBS DONT UNDERSTAND THE POWER OF THE VEIGAR EVENT HORIZON WHIFFING META


YOU SHOULD JUST UNINSTALL


YOUR LIVES

[allen]

It still has 25 more range than Annie's Q and W, and I haven't heard many people complain that Annie's range is too low.

what? I'm pretty sure that is everyone's complaint about Annie. that and her shield is pretty useless aside from getting stacks for her passive.

against most all ap mids she gets destroyed because her range sucks balls.

before all the new heroes with crazy range were released she was pretty good. she kinda sucks now.

[Pandara_RA!]

It still has 25 more range than Annie's Q and W, and I haven't heard many people complain that Annie's range is too low.

what? I'm pretty sure that is everyone's complaint about Annie. that and her shield is pretty useless aside from getting stacks for her passive.

against most all ap mids she gets destroyed because her range sucks balls.

before all the new heroes with crazy range were released she was pretty good. she kinda sucks now.

Since ryse got his RANGE BUFF to his E I think it's more than fair.

Ryse's E now for sure targets champs over minions meaning you chuck it at a back row minion and suddenly your E has about 750-850 range as it will always bounce to the champ hiding behind them

[Nillo]

before all the new heroes with crazy range were released she was pretty good. she kinda sucks now.

Well, to be fair, I don't really keep up with the game competitively-speaking. I just remember that she was tier 1 pick/ban material back in the day and has not been significantly reworked since then.

I'm looking at the tier lists on Reign of Gaming right now and it seems like Annie is still on Tier 2 at least, despite the powercreep. But this could be a case where only the pros know how to use her and the rest of the community considers her UP.

[allen]

yeah she's still really good as a champion. but now when you go up to do your combo most ap mids will just stomp you, since you have to be really close. most of the newer ap mid heroes you don't want to get that close with. ahri can charm you, ziggs can nearly perma slow you, xerath can just plain nuke you to death, etc.

I don't bother picking her in blind pick anymore. if you don't know who you are going against annie is a terrible choice.

the ratio between good and bad match-ups of her was about even before all these newer high range/mobility champions were released. now it's skewed and she has so many poor match-ups that she isn't worth picking in blind pick or draft unless you're last pick.