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[Nillo]

jungle pantheon [...]

Isn't this one of those things that "work, but why would you do it"? As far as I can tell, Pantheon has an incredibly aggressive and strong lane (his lategame is weak, but that's another story altogether). So why would you jungle with him? And if you do jungle, what sort of skill build would you go for?

[Paul Eres]

when i jungle as pantheon, i focus on the spear, because it gives you the most damage in the jungle with blue. usually i get spear at level 1, stun at level 2, gank at level 2 if there's opportunity, get 1 level of his e, and level spear after that

as for why you would want to, maybe someone else already took top and you are left having to jungle? he's one of the more fun junglers, because his ult works best when he wanders or jungles; if he's laning at top, whenever he ults, the person at top will call a mia or may even see him ulting and warn his allies, if he's jungling, they get no mia's and no warning, and you can ult right behind them, making escape difficult

i'd say he's the second-funnest jungler (behind fiddlesticks)

[21Jonnys]

Ah, I suck at Jungling. I really want to work on it though with Fiddlesticks, but yeah he does seem like a slower jungler. I've gone mid with Fiddlesticks since he can stay there a while with his drain. It really sucks though when nobody calls MIAs and I get ganked since Fiddlesticks is so slow. Best parts about fiddlesticks? Having your Fear and Drain at the highest level, scaring them, and then killing them with drain. Also, turret diving/blinking into their base with his ult and killing people. Gosh darn, I love Fiddlesticks.

[Paul Eres]

only bad players rely on or call mia's; i've been trying to purposefully not call mia's as a way to teach people not to overextend and to use wards more. it makes me feel like a worse player to say mia, or to hear it

i make exceptions when i play normals with low-level players though (below level 30, or level 30 with low "hidden elo" and low wins) because i assume that random teammates at that level are terrible

[John Sandoval]

map awareness takes a long time to learn but eventually you fall into the habit of checking the minimip every 5 seconds

[James McCloud]

And buying wards when you blue pill.

[Trevor Dunbar]

only bad players rely on or call mia's; i've been trying to purposefully not call mia's as a way to teach people not to overextend and to use wards more. it makes me feel like a worse player to say mia, or to hear it

i make exceptions when i play normals with low-level players though (below level 30, or level 30 with low "hidden elo" and low wins) because i assume that random teammates at that level are terrible

But calling MIAs is still a good practice, even the best players get distracted in-lane and can't watch the mini-map the entire game. You arn't playing the mini-map.

it's especially useful to call MIAs on champs who have a chance to brutalize ALL your team mates in a lane, either because: they are mildly imbalanced, have farmed a lot, or just just plain fed.

If you fed mid and they are going on a killing spree because you didn't call MIA on them, it's a bitch-slap to the face for your team.

Please call your MIAs on LeBlanc!

Also- no one willingly buys wards unless you twist their arm completely off or they just do it regularly as a player.
It is funny that no matter how cheap you made wards, certain players will NEVER EVER buy them if they're playing non-support.
Give a player a way to win the game much more often on the cheap, "a free-win item" if you will, and they don't buy it out of stubbornness, ego, or just because it doesn't directly give you kill stats, or that they need to be maintained. What an interesting psychology experiment.

[John Sandoval]

i buy wards even as a carry

if i have gold left over and space

[Paul Eres]

people should know that wandering mids like leblanc and ahri are never actually at mid; calling mia's on champions whose entire job is to wander the map is superfluous. you don't call mia's on their jungler, so likewise you don't call mia's on leblanc or ahri, it's a waste of tying time that i could be using to last hit. and most of the time even if you call mia from a wandering mid they don't actually go back and be safer, they continue trying to turret dive bottom at level 3 or whatever

[Dragonmaw]

warding is one of the reasons i love wriggle's so much. makes jungling nice, not need to worry about gathering wards and wasting cash

[Paul Eres]

it's not all that much money that is saved. if you get wriggles at 10 minutes (which is pretty fast), and use it regularly from that point on until 30 minutes, putting one down immediately after the last one wears off, you've saved 500 gold. that's basically nothing; you get 500 gold from 20 creep kills

[allen]

Isn't this one of those things that "work, but why would you do it"? As far as I can tell, Pantheon has an incredibly aggressive and strong lane (his lategame is weak, but that's another story altogether). So why would you jungle with him? And if you do jungle, what sort of skill build would you go for?

he's an assassin, so he's really good at wandering the map and grabbing kills. ulting from the jungle is a lot easier than ulting from top lane. he's not the ideal jungler but it's easy to see why he's not a terrible jungler, at least in terms of ganks.

besides, the only way I get to play some champions is if I jungle. Riven/Fizz/Panth and Corki aren't the best junglers out there but I seldom get to play them cuz I usually have to go to the jungle.

[Dragonmaw]

it's not all that much money that is saved. if you get wriggles at 10 minutes (which is pretty fast), and use it regularly from that point on until 30 minutes, putting one down immediately after the last one wears off, you've saved 500 gold. that's basically nothing; you get 500 gold from 20 creep kills

Generally speaking, though, you should only be placing one ward or so in jungle (unless your team has the map awareness of a gnat). It also pays off in late game when you don't have the slots to spare for wards.

Wriggle's is pretty much one of the best items around.

Edit: AP MF in Dominion. What the fuck.

[James McCloud]

Yeah, people in low queues seem to have a fetish for MF or something.  I've seen a team with an Annie and MF on it. 
The MF went mid.
I absolutely destroyed her.

[Blademasterbobo]

if you play jungle fiddle, prepare for the inevitable team fight at level 1 when you try to start at blue, because that has happened in every game i've ever played where there was a jungle fiddle