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[Paul Eres]

  does anyone know if the vvvvvv v2.0 is live on steam yet? if i want to play the latest version should i use the one from the humble site or the one from steam, or either?

[Desert Dog]

that's why i prefer to give all people who work on my games a royalty percent, even if it's just a small one for a small task. i wish this were more common practice than it seems to be. i know a lot of people who worked on a successful game and didn't get very much money from it (an example is this forum's own teegee with a hidden object game he made for a company; after the game was complete and started making millions he was fired).

Whoa. That sucks. Like, seriously sucks.

[moshboy]

Game selection looks pretty solid. Will have to check my paypal.

[st33d]

I was going to be productive last night.

 

[Tumetsu]

@Tumetsu: I don't have that issue, it sounds like your monitor doesn't know how to deal. If it's a not-too-old flatscreen it should have an "auto-calibrate" button that shoudl fix it.

I'm playing with laptop so I don't have said buttons. It also works perfectly with every other games I have played but with this the screen is plain weird. Well, I think I can play on window.

[Gabriel Verdon]

I fucking love hammerfight

[Tumetsu]

Oh great. Now I put HF to fullscreen and tried to restart it and it just flashes fullscreen until screen minimizes to taskbar. Can't even set it back to windowed. Looks like I have to do some config file magic.

[Oddball]

I'm still a little sore over the first HIB since World of Goo made like $1 million from that alone, which is about 0.001% of the money I made when I contracted for them on that gig

According to the HiB stats for the first bundle the World of Goo team got $176,132.04 total. 0.001% of that is $176.13. How much work did you do to get paid $176?

[Ashkin]

Man, I would get this if I didn't already own 40% of it. Might get it anyway though.
But I own VVVVVV, I own Cogs, and I don't really want AYiM. But it's still a great deal for Hammerfight and Crayon Physics.

[capn.lee]

I'm still a little sore over the first HIB since World of Goo made like $1 million from that alone, which is about 0.001% of the money I made when I contracted for them on that gig

According to the HiB stats for the first bundle the World of Goo team got $176,132.04 total. 0.001% of that is $176.13. How much work did you do to get paid $176?

I can certainly sympathise with how he feels, that he helped create an awesome game that was very profitable and yet only gets his one-off payment as compensation.
That said, if world of goo had flopped, i don't imagine he'd have given back the money they gave him for his work.

[Terry]

does anyone know if the vvvvvv v2.0 is live on steam yet? if i want to play the latest version should i use the one from the humble site or the one from steam, or either?

I've sent it to them, just waiting for them to post the update! I dunno what the hold up is, but I'm sure they'll get to it soon.

[Zaphos]

I'm still a little sore over the first HIB since World of Goo made like $1 million from that alone, which is about 0.001% of the money I made when I contracted for them on that gig

According to the HiB stats for the first bundle the World of Goo team got $176,132.04 total. 0.001% of that is $176.13. How much work did you do to get paid $176?

If you read phubans post carefully he says [the amount wog made] = .001% * [what phubans made].  So phubans was actually paid $176,132.04 / (.001%) = 17,613,204,000, or roughly 17.6 billion dollars for his contract job.

[st33d]

Man, I would get this if I didn't already own 40% of it. Might get it anyway though.
But I own VVVVVV, I own Cogs, and I don't really want AYiM. But it's still a great deal for Hammerfight and Crayon Physics.

AYiM was way better than I thought it would be.

[TeeGee]

i know a lot of people who worked on a successful game and didn't get very much money from it (an example is this forum's own teegee with a hidden object game he made for a company; after the game was complete and started making millions he was fired).

This is a bit off-topic, but consider that I was an employee, and I was paid a good salary to do my job. I would get paid even if the game flopped or would never get finished. It's a risk on both sides. And it's just how working for someone works.

Giving royalties is often too unpredictable and unpractical, especially for regular companies who have to register all the payments they make. If you pay X thousands of dollars to - say - the composer, and it's a price he finds to be fair, it's a clear deal and everyone's happy. But if you give him 10%, there's a certain risk. If the game flops, he'll get nothing for his hard work. And if the game suddenly becomes a smashing hit and earns 10 million dollars, did he really deserved his million for a small commission?

Also, how to compute royalties? Direct sales are easy. But portals? Retail? Promotions? iOS port? Should royalties depend on the price or the profit the company makes? What if you sell the game and/or your company to someone? And what to do in 10 years, when the game still sells an odd copy every now and then?

It's really not that simple.

[Oddball]

If you read phubans post carefully he says [the amount wog made] = .001% * [what phubans made].  So phubans was actually paid $176,132.04 / (.001%) = 17,613,204,000, or roughly 17.6 billion dollars for his contract job.

I did see that and assumed he'd wrote it that way in error. Having said that my maths was still wrong as 0.001% of $176,132.04 is $1.76 and not $176. I agree with PHubans, if I'd worked on World of Goo and only got paid $1.76 I'd be pissed too.