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[Blademasterbobo]

that's pretty much cheating

[PowRTocH]

Reminds me of the days of setting up autofire and low contrast in L4D. Good times.

[Blademasterbobo]

so you're one of those guys

[PowRTocH]

I was. Never again.

[Uykered]

I don't think the devs mind as it's been reported ages ago, the pros use the custom radius thing too which could also be a "cheat" too, but it all makes it more comfortable to play.

[deathtotheweird]

doesn't look like cheating to me, it's not like you can see what's in the fog of war or anything. and it's the same information that's on the minimap. sucks it zooms back in when you click on your hero or the map though.

[ink.inc]

Never again.

[Pandara_RA!]

doesn't look like cheating to me, it's not like you can see what's in the fog of war or anything. and it's the same information that's on the minimap. sucks it zooms back in when you click on your hero or the map though.

It's actually a large advantage, regardless of your map awareness, because micro sensitive activities require you to be looking at your surroundings...trying to land a good pounce on a dodging target as slark for example allows you only to peek at the minimap to undrstand the information presented, where this allows it to be in the same field of vision you can micro under.

It's cheating.

[deathtotheweird]

it isn't a cheat unless Valve says it is. and since the command isn't flagged as a cheat then it isn't one. simple as that.

many people consider the range display a cheat. but valve don't, so it's not a cheat. and it's valve's game so I'm more likely to take into consideration what they consider cheating than some random faggot on a games forum.

[Blademasterbobo]

you're using an advantage that 99% of other people don't know about or use (more with the zoom out thing than the range finder.) even if it's not strictly cheating, you're not really playing on a level playing field anymore. you're using some obscure method external to the rest of the game to give yourself an advantage over normal players. it's like coloring all of the items in L4D bright pink, making it play a siren when tanks are about to show up, and using the script that made you fire all of your pistol shots in one click. it's not strictly cheating, but you're still a bit of an asshole for using them.

quit getting so butthurt when someone calls you on your shit. if you really thought it was 100% fair, you wouldn't get so defensive, jackass.

it's sad that you're such a noskill retard that you have to zoom the map out 10% to be able to be competitive with other players. if you don't think that's a huge advantage, especially for mid, you're a fucking moron.

[Blademasterbobo]

doesn't look like cheating to me, it's not like you can see what's in the fog of war or anything. and it's the same information that's on the minimap. sucks it zooms back in when you click on your hero or the map though.

plus it should be pretty fucking obvious from that that this is an exploit and not an intentional thing

[AshfordPride]

Friend said that Elder Titan looks like the final boss of Dota.  He kind of does.  He looks like Nature's Prophet hit the gym and swallowed an Earthshaker or two.

[deathtotheweird]

I haven't even used this command so calm your personal attacks you baby. I have a hard time as it is remembering the range of spells with the default field of view, not going to use a console command and relearn all those ranges over again, as I usually remember them based on their distance to the edge of the sreen.

and it's not external, it's in the console. one button press away. that command has been a thing in many competitive RTS games, and adjusting your FOV (essentially what this is) has been a thing in dozens of competitive shooters. but I suppose adjusting the FOV in Quake 3 to 120 is cheating to you as well?

at the worst it's a very mild advantage, the game is still 99% skill based and the more skilled player will always beat a lower skilled player no matter how wide of an FOV he has. you babies are whining about nothing.

[Blademasterbobo]

calm your personal attacks you baby

some random faggot on a games forum.

lol

changing the fov in an options menu is quite a bit different from using an obscure console command to try to move the camera higher than it normally sits (until another camera move resets the height, from moving it with the minimap or whatever.)

all other things indicate they'd like the fov locked.

and if we're going off of what fpss do, tf2 locks the fov to 90 or lower. this isn't the 90s, and valve isn't id Software, so the quake example doesn't really apply here. if every other valve game locks down the fov, and moving the camera resets the height, it's pretty obvious that this is unintentional. there was another way to do this by moving to the edge of the map, and i'm pretty sure they removed that, too?

[deathtotheweird]

if it's not meant to be used then they would have flagged it as a cheat. if it's as big of a deal as you say it is (it isn't) then they would have flagged it a long time ago.

not a cheat, quit your bitching

[Blademasterbobo]

yeah you're right, since you just say it isn't a cheat, it must not be a cheat. you are the Best at Arguments! congratulations, your brilliant combination of constantly repeating "i'm right you're wrong!" and insulting everyone has proven yet another point.

[Pandara_RA!]

if it's not meant to be used then they would have flagged it as a cheat. if it's as big of a deal as you say it is (it isn't) then they would have flagged it a long time ago.

not a cheat, quit your bitching

It's an Exploit, not a cheat.

[Nillo]

It's kind of crazy how mad people can get when you try to split push instead of joining a teamfight, even if you're playing a hero that has reliable escapes and lacks teamfighting abilities. If you're playing Anti-Mage 16 minutes into the game and you have rushed a Battlefury, split pushing is the most useful thing you could be doing for your team imo, and still they absolutely hate it.

[nekokoneko]

Welcome to MOBA games where everyone knows better than you.

And in regards to vision, i'd love it if the minimap was more central, or there was an option similar to Natural Selection 2's whereby you can get a map overlay fullscreen. I find it really strange from a design standpoint to have the thing that is probably most important to the game thrown into the corner of the screen. Tunnel visioning is such a huge problem in games like these and it takes a lot of focus to be able to constantly glance at the minimap while fighting. When valve have ability times displayed when youre spamming them that inpart reduces the need to see those as often... ahh, its fucking annoying.

[Mittens]

Welcome to MOBA games where everyone knows better than you.

And in regards to vision, i'd love it if the minimap was more central, or there was an option similar to Natural Selection 2's whereby you can get a map overlay fullscreen. I find it really strange from a design standpoint to have the thing that is probably most important to the game thrown into the corner of the screen. Tunnel visioning is such a huge problem in games like these and it takes a lot of focus to be able to constantly glance at the minimap while fighting. When valve have ability times displayed when youre spamming them that inpart reduces the need to see those as often... ahh, its fucking annoying.

I'm a really big fan of full-screen overlay minimaps, I use them whenever the game offers it (and in the case of Tribes I've used mod's to force it )

I think it would suit dota perfectly fine, only problem would be the fact that so often you need to interact with the minimap, so a clickable one would need to be on screen regardless of having the full-screen one enabled or not.