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[ink.inc]

half of his abilites are passives

real fun

[RCIX]

try actually playing the game and see if it feels that way or if it feels like an important part of the laning phase

theres a reason they cant seem to keep laning in lol from becoming a passive farmfest

and if you seriously feel like hitting the a button once and clicking is 'micromanagement' maybe competitive video games arent the right hobby for you

Parody version:

try actually playing the game (LoL) and see if it feels that way or if it feels like they removed obtuse mechanics that were there as much for pros to go "LOL im better than u" as to actually be a part of the game

theres a reason they cant seem to keep all of dota from being a passive farm fest

and if you seriously feel like removing superfluous mechanics ruins the game and makes it a 'babby game hit the a button' then maybe streamlined games arent the right type of game for you

(Just keep in mind that your post came off much the same way when responding)

I have tried dota 2, as well as spent most of a year in another moba with denying. It's a clunky mechanic that is basically an ascended bug (I think anyway) from the original dota. Moreover, it very much encourages passive play via denying as much as possible so you don't have to push out much past your tower.

Of course it's an important part of the laning phase. It was designed that way (whether forced to because of a bug or chosen to be implemented), and LoL more than proves that a MOBA can be made without it.

(btw, competitive video games don't have to be a contest of how quickly you can order a stream of button presses into a meaningful command sequence; look at [insert strategy game here that isn't starcraft]).

And it's not hitting the a button once and clicking; it flat out doubles the last-hitting load, and half of that lasthitting load costs extra command time to do.

[Dragonmaw]

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Playing with TIGS dudes is like 80% loss chance, but I'm having fun anyway. I'd rather play with bads than people who flame/troll/afk/etc  

Also I'm glad you guys can usually hear what I'm saying despite my awful Swedish accent.

poor nillo 500 gpm in a losing match and against a megafed bloodseeker too
ps 0 denies drow this isnt league of babby game hit the a button

one of my denies is from throwing toucan as tiny. i got a kill AND denied toucan at the same time

so pro

[wzl]

oooooh sounds like you guys having fun! but apparently you're living in a weird timezone :O

made a few practice games yesterday. vengeful spirit is so much fun :D
practice games however arent. leaving without panelty is just too cruel for the team.


anyways, hit me up if you wanna play: pixallerated (i think) on steam

[im9today]

(btw, competitive video games don't have to be a contest of how quickly you can order a stream of button presses into a meaningful command sequence; look at [insert strategy game here that isn't starcraft]).

pretty meaningful that you literally couldnt think of one there champ'
you basically described what a dynamic competitive game is and then said oh! it doesnt need to be that it could be thing i couldnt think of because it doesnt exist instead

also a parody is actually supposed to be funny or clever but i guess if we can have competitive team based games without skill we can have parody without wit

[Nillo]

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I carried this team so hard it broke the game and caused all the text to be replaced by boxes.

[Nix]

Does anyone have an extra invite? (only give it to me if you genuinely have no one else to invite)

I'm starting to think maybe I should have lied about how much I played DotA on the survey

[Fission Mailed]

That's what I did and look what happened. 

[ink.inc]

i own at this gam

if by own i mean i get owned

people just come at me and i die what is this

also the screen isnt big enough; enemy champs can hit/AA you from offscreen, no problem

i need more practice before i play with real people -_-

[RCIX]

(btw, competitive video games don't have to be a contest of how quickly you can order a stream of button presses into a meaningful command sequence; look at [insert strategy game here that isn't starcraft]).

pretty meaningful that you literally couldnt think of one there champ'
you basically described what a dynamic competitive game is and then said oh! it doesnt need to be that it could be thing i couldnt think of because it doesnt exist instead

also a parody is actually supposed to be funny or clever but i guess if we can have competitive team based games without skill we can have parody without wit

Oh, i can: Supreme Commander. The Civilization series. Sins of a Solar Empire. There's 3!

Also a conversation is supposed to be civil and polite but i guess if we can have jerks that insult games they don't like then we can have a conversation without manners

I was making a joke with my first post, and assuming that you sort of were doing the same with yours, you're the one who lashed out with the "LoL is a game for idiots and if you don't like denies then competitive games aren't for you"...

I want to hear you go up to a high-tier Civilization player and tell him his game has no skill because you don't mash buttons. Your run speed will only be limited by how much of a beat-down you took before getting out of dodge

[Nillo]

I'm not saying that LoL is for stupid people, but it's definitely a lot more forgiving about player mistakes than Dota is. You can't lose gold from dying in League, but you can in Dota. The respawn timers are also pretty brutal at high levels so if someone gets killed carelessly during a lategame push it can easily cost you the game.

I like denies, because they make the laning phase less boring. Last hits also make the game less boring. It is something to do in the lane, something that tests your skill. Would some players prefer if everyone automatically received gold whenever a nearby creep died? Perhaps... but it would definitely be more passive and less based on skill.

[RCIX]

I'm not saying that LoL is for stupid people, but it's definitely a lot more forgiving about player mistakes than Dota is. You can't lose gold from dying in League, but you can in Dota. The respawn timers are also pretty brutal at high levels so if someone gets killed carelessly during a lategame push it can easily cost you the game.

I like denies, because they make the laning phase less boring. Last hits also make the game less boring. It is something to do in the lane, something that tests your skill. Would some players prefer if everyone automatically received gold whenever a nearby creep died? Perhaps... but it would definitely be more passive and less based on skill.

Well, maybe the creep part of laning would be more passive, but you'll note that League of Legends laning is a lot more about the harassment/pokes between the laning players, which IMO is more interesting. After all, i joined the game to play vs a bunch of people, not enter a farmfest for 15 minutes before having enough levels and equipment to play vs a bunch of people

I think it would actually be cool if people didn't have to worry about lasthitting and then more tools were given to explicitly control creep advancement so it would be a more strategic pushing/pullback game based on when you see junglers gank or when the enemy retreats from the lane, etc.

[im9today]

(btw, competitive video games don't have to be a contest of how quickly you can order a stream of button presses into a meaningful command sequence; look at [insert strategy game here that isn't starcraft]).

pretty meaningful that you literally couldnt think of one there champ'
you basically described what a dynamic competitive game is and then said oh! it doesnt need to be that it could be thing i couldnt think of because it doesnt exist instead

also a parody is actually supposed to be funny or clever but i guess if we can have competitive team based games without skill we can have parody without wit

Oh, i can: Supreme Commander. The Civilization series. Sins of a Solar Empire. There's 3!

Also a conversation is supposed to be civil and polite but i guess if we can have jerks that insult games they don't like then we can have a conversation without manners

I was making a joke with my first post, and assuming that you sort of were doing the same with yours, you're the one who lashed out with the "LoL is a game for idiots and if you don't like denies then competitive games aren't for you"...

I want to hear you go up to a high-tier Civilization player and tell him his game has no skill because you don't mash buttons. Your run speed will only be limited by how much of a beat-down you took before getting out of dodge

because civ is a great multiplayer teambased competitive game that you play in real time and wow im just going to stop there because you must just be trolling. i dont have any time for trolls

try again fartsocks try again

[im9today]

Well, maybe the creep part of laning would be more passive, but you'll note that League of Legends laning is a lot more about the harassment/pokes between the laning players, which IMO is more interesting. After all, i joined the game to play vs a bunch of people, not enter a farmfest for 15 minutes before having enough levels and equipment to play vs a bunch of people

this is the exact opposite of truth
i mean you dont even know what you are talking about
bottom lane in lol has been a support and a carry farming for the first 20 minutes for months now
top lane is some sort of tanky dps that just farms and doesnt even need support or to go back to the fountain because they all have retarded strong sustain
mid lane is the only lane where you actually acknowledge the other player in league of legends
the developers of the game know this
the players know this
somehow you dont

[Fission Mailed]

i wish there was some sort of button you could use, like in lol, to center the camera around your hero. also, the shop system is a bit obfuscated. but still, i'm enjoying the game so far.

[RCIX]

because civ is a great multiplayer teambased competitive game that you play in real time and wow im just going to stop there because you must just be trolling. i dont have any time for trolls

try again fartsocks try again

Neither do I, you never specified that it had to be real time. Actually, no, you mumbled something about it once but didn't make that clear. Also, you did a great job ignoring my other two games Protip: if you don't want to look like a troll, actually respond to everything and not just the parts you can turn around to your favor by mangling...

this is the exact opposite of truth
i mean you dont even know what you are talking about
bottom lane in lol has been a support and a carry farming for the first 20 minutes for months now
top lane is some sort of tanky dps that just farms and doesnt even need support or to go back to the fountain because they all have retarded strong sustain
mid lane is the only lane where you actually acknowledge the other player in league of legends
the developers of the game know this
the players know this
somehow you dont

It's better than Dota, where the first 20-30+ minutes consists solely of a deny/lasthit contest with the occasional gank or such. Really, you think you can win this argument when DotA is literally all about lasthitting and denying for a good chunk of the game?

This is ofcourse to say nothing of the fact that heroes are hard to pick out from the terrain and such compared to other MOBAs, the shop is extremely clunky, the items and skills are outdated (y u no scale almost any skills dota? Whats with these "couriers" and "town portal scrolls"?), and the UI is suffocatingly big.

All that is what I don't like about it though. I'd be very happy if Dota 2 changed these conventions, but if they don't, fine, I'm not gonna insult it then rage at anyone who dares to question me.

I think ill be done replying to imtrolltoday for now.

[im9today]

paragraphs of raging about a feature of a game he doesnt play

All that is what I don't like about it though. I'd be very happy if Dota 2 changed these conventions, but if they don't, fine, I'm not gonna insult it then rage at anyone who dares to question me.

[im9today]

This is ofcourse to say nothing of the fact that heroes are hard to pick out from the terrain and such compared to other MOBAs, the shop is extremely clunky, the items and skills are outdated (y u no scale almost any skills dota? Whats with these "couriers" and "town portal scrolls"?), and the UI is suffocatingly big.

just stop. you dont know what you are talking about, it's embarrassing to read

[ink.inc]

i wish there was some sort of button you could use, like in lol, to center the camera around your hero. also, the shop system is a bit obfuscated. but still, i'm enjoying the game so far.

there is (2)

but you have to double tap it

you can change it to spacebar so its more like lol tho

also im starting to get a grip of this game; just went 9/5/7 as windrunner

still lost tho

[Fission Mailed]

how do i change it to space bar? i tried going into the settings but im not sure which one to change. edit: oh figured it out. now i just need to find out how to buy items.