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« on: August 17, 2011, 03:26:06 PM »

http://pc.ign.com/articles/118/1188416p1.html

Notch has challenged Bethesda to a deathmatch... :p

What do you think of this? Clever or silly?
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2011, 05:04:30 PM »

It seems a bit fun/silly, but chances are Bethesda's lawyers will simply respond with "No".
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2011, 05:21:00 PM »

If it happens, I think it'll be great publicity for everyone. Going down in gaming history, and that stuff.
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2011, 05:32:44 PM »

do they want to be the new tim langdell? nobody is gonna confuse "scrolls" with "the elder scrolls series"
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2011, 12:11:00 AM »

As far as I understand, the challenge is just for the real Bethesda team, not the lawyers.

That way, the lawyers works on their side but the teams, both Mojang's and Bethesda's developers, can still decide to change the name of one of the games, making the problem non-existing anymore.


However... "The Elder Scrolls" being an already known name, in practice only Mojang can drop the name. "Skyrim" have nothing to do with all that so the Bethesda team cannot just change the name.

So I agree that the Bethesda lawyers will not end it like this.

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do they want to be the new tim langdell? nobody is gonna confuse "scrolls" with "the elder scrolls series"

I think they don't realize what they're doing. Certainly they don't care. They're applying the same rules as, say, the music, movies and books industries. They might think it's just routine business.
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2011, 02:39:58 PM »

However... "The Elder Scrolls" being an already known name, in practice only Mojang can drop the name. "Skyrim" have nothing to do with all that so the Bethesda team cannot just change the name.

I think if Mojang won, they would just agree to have an Elder Scrolls and a Scrolls, not to drop the Elder Scrolls title. I would be extremely surprised if Bethesda's lawyers would be willing to do this though, unless some executive with a sense of humor made then back down.
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2011, 02:47:12 PM »

Publicity grab by Mojang.

Bethesda just protecting their copyright, as they're required by silly US law.

No need to make a great fuss over it IMO. Peace out.
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2011, 06:05:42 PM »

While it's easy to call Bethesda the big bad evil people, I think that naming the game solely "Scrolls" would be a legitimate cause for concern for Bethesda. I think that if he had named it "___ Scrolls" or "Scrolls of ____", he'd have a better argument with this name confusion business, but he had to go and name it a common word...
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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2011, 07:40:53 PM »

seriously. what a shitty name
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2011, 02:43:24 AM »

Are we supposed to care how two multi-million dollar companies settle their trademark dispute? They should settle it by passing brown envelopes full of cash under the table like all other self respecting companies do.

I don't really get Bethesda's stand point. Is The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim often referred to as just Scrolls? If not then they don't really have much of a case.
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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2011, 08:26:24 AM »

Would you confuse a game called "Brothers" with "Super Mario Brothers"?
Would you confuse a game called "Duty" with "Call of Duty"?
Would you confuse a game called "Fantasy" with "Final Fantasy"?
Would you confuse a game called "Evil" with "Resident Evil"?
"Fighter" with "Street Fighter"?
"Raider" with "Tomb Raider"?

Would you confuse a game called "Scrolls" with "The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim", which is really just being marketed as "Skyrim"? How many people even call the TES series "The Elder Scrolls" instead of just the subtitle, which always features more prominently in the box art: http://gematsu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Skyrim-Box-Art-Revealed-240x276.jpg  ?
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2011, 11:27:19 AM »

I think the problem is that moJang is trying to trademark a generic term, so Bethesda might be just trying to defend the future of their (and other) franchise.
Maybe if mojang accepted to make the tile more precise (like "minescrolls" or "scrolls of the dark stryderk 666") Bethesda would stop their lawsuit.
This is just speculation , maybe I'm entirely wrong.
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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2011, 01:59:46 PM »

I also call publicity grab, but I think it's a really great one.  I hope Bethesda takes them up on this.  (I also suspect somehow that Bethesda has some seriously good quake players.)

As for the actual issue, I think "Scrolls" is a perfectly reasonable name.
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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2011, 04:15:13 AM »

Would you confuse a game called "Brothers" with "Super Mario Brothers"?
Would you confuse a game called "Duty" with "Call of Duty"?
Would you confuse a game called "Fantasy" with "Final Fantasy"?
Would you confuse a game called "Evil" with "Resident Evil"?

Not that I'm on Bethesda's side here, but there's a section in this Wired article that points out that they do have a legitimate case here.

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“The basic question here is whether the two trademarks are likely to be confused,” Methenitis said in an e-mail... While hard-core gamers would generally know the difference between Scrolls and The Elder Scrolls — one is a card game and the other is an epic fantasy adventure — Methenitis says average shoppers might think the two are related, since both titles include the word scrolls, both are games and both have similar fantasy themes (at a very shallow level).

So these comparisons, eiyukabe, are valid if the games have no thematic similarity. But if there was a game called "Brothers" about plumbers, stomping on mushrooms or rescuing princesses you might have an issue. A game called "Evil" about killing zombies, or an army game called "Duty" could reasonably be trademark infringement, as it's clearly possible to confuse them, or at very least think they're from the same product line.

I can see why Bethesda has a case here, and in trademark law, as Miguelito points out, your trademarks don't stand up if you don't guard them. That doesn't necessarily mean they should or would win the case though. I personally think "Scrolls" is perfectly reasonable.

Of course, if they lost the name or had to change it to "Scrolls of ____" or something, I don't think that would be a big issue for them. It's not as if they have a lot of marketing material out there with the "Scrolls" trademark on it already. After all, the game's not even out yet!
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2011, 06:44:19 PM »

It's not like Mojang hasn't built up their own PR for the name Scrolls. After all, enough people knew of it that Bethesda found out! But seriously, i get the idea that some might be dumb enough to think there's a relation between the two products, but is that really a legally feasible reason? Hell, when i had first heard of Morwin, i didn't even know what Elder Scrolls was. When i heard of Oblivion, it took a while before i knew it was attached to the same franchise.

I think that it would be hurtful to Mojang to lose whatever small awareness there is about the title "Scrolls" much more than Bethesda over a few being duped into buying a game they thought was related, which i find unlikely because "Elder Scrolls" has never been known as well as the subtitles! On the other hand, it might be better PR to just rename it. The new name would definitely get a lot of coverage.

On the other hand, Mojang could give a middle finger to anyone who cares about proper English and just call it "Scrollz".
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