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« Reply #2660 on: April 26, 2013, 06:10:21 AM »

Not that different really, the latest one is a remake that follows the manga even closer with faster pacing and no fillers (although what fillers there are in the original aren't jarring or noticable at all). Both are toptier.
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« Reply #2661 on: April 26, 2013, 10:28:09 AM »

no they are not, i don't know about the second but the first was vomiting Sad the manga is still toptier and a gamedesign notebook
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« Reply #2662 on: April 27, 2013, 11:04:53 AM »

more on evangelion 3.33:

did anyone else find it super hard to follow what was going on? all the mumbo jumbo about the twin spears/kaworu becoming the 13th angel?/dual mode evangelion/lilin/curse of the eva bullshit.

they introduced a bunch of new mcguffins and sort of just left them dangling there. animation was godly but i feel like the more obtuse plot elements were just unnecessary.
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« Reply #2663 on: April 27, 2013, 11:17:34 AM »

they introduced a bunch of new mcguffins and sort of just left them dangling there. animation was godly but i feel like the more obtuse plot elements were just unnecessary.
isnt that evangelion in general
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« Reply #2664 on: April 27, 2013, 11:38:02 AM »

yeah but i was hoping that the remakes would be annos chance to fix that
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« Reply #2665 on: April 27, 2013, 11:50:46 AM »

I think the original was pretty coherent, but I "get" the original final (before the movie). It's like the new movie is a new "fuck you" fan they have been keep doing since the original series, the kind of ironic "isn't that you really clamored?". The new eva keep piling spectacular, twist, mysteries, fan service, etc... in a great abstract patchwork with little substance in my eyes. It's pure spectacle and nothing more. But it seems gainax has been making more of these for while now.
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« Reply #2666 on: April 27, 2013, 11:56:12 AM »

the original series, sure, up until the bullshit about instrumentality (which is what, exactly? it's never really explained) and the dead sea scrolls and other references to judeo christian mythology (not to mention the finale)

hopefully they clear it up in 4.0 but then again probably not gonna happen
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« Reply #2667 on: April 27, 2013, 12:28:30 PM »

The final make perfect sense to me, there was a layered symbolism of god/human, father/son, and a hidden layer based on animation industry (all document zoom up talk about the state of that industry). The end make sense in a way that it deal with relation and identity and some existentialism from the personal in parallel with the blown up epic. I mean If the final was a battle it would not mirrored the beginning of the series (shinji struggle to take action and to define itself and to understand what's its father have lay for it). It makes perfect sense with the christian perspective (I was raised as a christian) about how the way of god are hard to understand, the whole reality being an allegory to this personal struggle and the judeo bullshit mirrored the struggle with shinji. I mean the nerv dismissal slogan (god in his heaven, alright on earth) seems to apply to. The end strongly hint that reality could be different, making the fact that it's all shinji's perception. Now it's not a conventional "it's all a dream" since the perception and the world are actually confused and the same. It's more likely it was message to otaku which project themselves in those world like shinji, it was an allegory not of shinji's world but of the typical viewer as an otaku (hence the creator). And let's be frank, all those experimental insert where we are in shinji's head (in the train) where forwarning of the ending, it was there all along.

The first movie was a fuck you as the ultimate message didn't got through and it was all about rejection and failure of growth (shinji masturbating in front of asuka and her rejecting him at the very last frame). It's very cynic.

The new movies is all about the dream, escapism and denial, it's no more about facing the difficulties of existing but all about fighting monster. It's like the comstock version of evangelion.

That's why the plot hole of the original wasn't so much important, they marker to consolidate the overall tone.
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« Reply #2668 on: April 27, 2013, 12:33:07 PM »

I'm glad I didn't bother with that anime lol
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« Reply #2669 on: April 27, 2013, 01:45:45 PM »

the original series, sure, up until the bullshit about instrumentality (which is what, exactly? it's never really explained)
They probably aren't going to spell that out any more clearly than it was in End of Eva.

There are two alien entities on Earth, meant to seed a world with life, so they've got godlike power. They are two different types, with different aspects of power. There's not supposed to be two on the same planet, but Lilith came from the Moon hitting Earth. The Human Instrumentality Project is trying to gain the godlike power for humans.

The biblical references are just names and images as decoration for this sci-fi backstory. Some westerners see this material as something they take seriously, but it's not particularly meaningful to the Japanese; for them it's just cool to use mythology like that.
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« Reply #2670 on: April 27, 2013, 04:55:28 PM »

Much like when westerners borrow shallow concepts of foreign cultures
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« Reply #2671 on: April 27, 2013, 06:58:14 PM »

Really not sure how I felt about it to be honest.
Props to them for striking out in a new direction. Not sure they did it particularly well but still.
Seemed pretty plot driven as opposed to character driven to me.
And, as many people have pointed out, none of the 3.0 preview was shown at all in the movie, which is kinda weird.

You never know though, we may get a lot more detail explained in 4.0. Shinji (and therefore us) is told a hell of a lot more than he is in the series. Bloody exposition central with Fuyutsuki in this film.
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« Reply #2672 on: April 28, 2013, 02:48:48 AM »

they introduced a bunch of new mcguffins and sort of just left them dangling there. animation was godly but i feel like the more obtuse plot elements were just unnecessary.

So, it was faithful to the original in the end then.

isnt that evangelion in general

You have no idea how much I wanted to make the post you made.

The final make perfect sense to me

There are two types of people in the world: Those who completely understand Evangelion; and THOSE WHO ACTUALLY EXIST.

I think the original was pretty coherent

Now you're just messing with us all.

If it didn't leave you at least partly confused, then it wouldn't be Evangelion.
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« Reply #2673 on: April 28, 2013, 03:21:16 AM »

I'm not watching any of the new movies or series and feel completely justified in this. D:
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« Reply #2674 on: April 28, 2013, 05:03:04 AM »

(Just watched Evangelion 3.0)

Well, that was weird.

I have mixed feelings about this film, I like that that it's starting to really split off into a new story, but it kind of frustrating when it suddenly dumps a bunch of unanswered questions on you just after it (barely) answers the ones it begins with.   

I didn't necessarily dislike it, and I'll probably like it more once I understand the shit that was happening at the end, but I definitely wouldn't say it's a positive feature.

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« Reply #2675 on: April 28, 2013, 05:16:41 AM »

Haven't had much time for animu lately, only been watching A Certain Scientific Railgun S episodes as they come out which is pretty cool but I feel like the main mysteries of the plot are ruined by having watched A Certain Magical Index.

Also on the topic of the Evangelion stuff, I think I'm going to wait for the 4th one to come out so I can get the whole picture and properly compare it to the original series, sounds rather different from what everyone is saying in this thread though.
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« Reply #2676 on: April 28, 2013, 05:50:59 AM »

The final make perfect sense to me

There are two types of people in the world: Those who completely understand Evangelion; and THOSE WHO ACTUALLY EXIST.

I think the original was pretty coherent

Now you're just messing with us all.

If it didn't leave you at least partly confused, then it wouldn't be Evangelion.


N-No but it's true. If you really look into it and/or read a whole bunch of stuff on the fan wiki it makes perfect sense. That's why I love Eva so much; it seems like it's a load of shit that makes no sense, but then you realize it has a plot, and a really deep one at that! Mixed in with the Christianity symbols for 'coolness factor', everything goes super well together and leaves you thinking.
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« Reply #2677 on: April 28, 2013, 06:55:36 AM »


N-No but it's true. If you really look into it and/or read a whole bunch of stuff on the fan wiki it makes perfect sense. That's why I love Eva so much; it seems like it's a load of shit that makes no sense, but then you realize it has a plot, and a really deep one at that! Mixed in with the Christianity symbols for 'coolness factor', everything goes super well together and leaves you thinking.

You know, when you put it that way, it almost makes sense. I finally understa....

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« Reply #2678 on: April 28, 2013, 06:57:38 AM »

This week's Titans' Attack episode was fucking epic
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« Reply #2679 on: April 28, 2013, 01:59:31 PM »

Let's say that eva has a lot of red herring, you expect a epic manga robot series and it's a personal almost author stories. If you pick the author angle you feel welcome, if you pick the mecha angle you are screwed deep in the ass ... I have little interest in cool mecha ... Who, Me? ... So I focus on the non red herring part and was rewarded with the ending.
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