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[TheLastBanana]

I'd just like to chip in that, in this case, it was antymattar himself who said that he had schizophrenia, and publicly analyzed how that may affect him currently. I don't know if that really changes anything, but I figure it's at least worth noting.

[Paul Eres]

@inanimate - yes, but nobody was saying that honesty requires being antagonistic; it's often impossible to avoid offending people or hurt feelings with honesty, but lying just delays the hurt for later (for when a person finds out) or internalizes it (through creating greater emotional distance and disconnection) so it usually results in more hurt feelings when one is dishonest in order to prevent hurt feelings

but it's hard to discuss it without specifics. i'd say that some forms of politeness are dishonest and others aren't. for instance, if i don't want to talk to someone but talk to them anyway out of politeness, that's fine, just as long as i (if there is opportunity, and if the feeling strong enough) tell that person that i don't really want to talk to them but am only talking to them out of politeness. if, instead, i pretended to enjoy talking with them even though i thought they were boring to talk to, that would be dishonest

@jwk5 - i think we already went over this to a degree; i understand your pov but i don't think it's disrespectful. i don't think it's disrespectful for people to ask me about personal issues or the personal issues of my family (it'd only be disrespectful if i revealed such information to them)

@thelastbanana - that's a pretty good point. if he felt uncomfortable with us knowing or discussing it he wouldn't have publicly mentioned it on a forum and (seemingly) encouraged discussion of it

[Inanimate]

Paul, here's what I'm saying, summarized as best as I can:

Be honest, but be nice about it.

I'm not saying to lie to them, I'm saying to be nice to them; and likewise, I'm not saying that honesty is inherently antagonistic, just that it's very easy to be mean about it.

[Paul Eres]

i think that point is sort of overly obvious, though. i really don't think that most radically honest people have a problem with being nice (or if they do, they'd have the same problem if they were not honest)

[Gimym TILBERT]

I think I would qualify as a radical honest but:

1. If you are to speak up your mind you better act in a way that fit your value so your thought and feeling sync with the mind. This is being responsible. Most instance of radical honesty I see is people who say what they think and instead of standing on some inner value just say it's radical honesty to scapegoat moral issue. By moral issue I don't say good vs evil, but showing a consistent set of value instead of just whatever you feel now like a spoiled children.

2. Sometimes speaking the truth is: "sorry I won't say you anything". Which is different that lying or saying nothing.

[moi]

If you believe that one guy could have slept with over 1000 women, casually, I have some books to sell you...

[Nix]

p0rn stars do it

[moi]

yeah pornstars.
And even for pornstars it's a lot I imagine.

[Fission Mailed]

paul eres 4 mod 2012.  

[Mikademus]

You choose not to discuss it as a courtesy, a show of respect. It's not "people being people", it is some people being "disrespectful people". Which brings us back to my point earlier in the topic. You can choose not to discuss your family's personal business out of respect but you're open to discussing other members mental health, sexual orientation, etc., which may be equally personal and/or private? If you can see that there should be a level of consideration for your family why is it so hard to see there should be a similar consideration for members of this forum?

I wonder if this might help clarify the matter:


This thread is now about publicly discussing Paul's mental syndromes.

[alastair]

I love birds too!

[TeeGee]

If you believe that one guy could have slept with over 1000 women, casually, I have some books to sell you...

B-but... he couldn't lie! He's the Truth Doctor!

[JWK5]

[JWK5]

An important question just came to mind that I just have to ask you, Paul (Eres).

Here's the scenario. You're in a crowded elevator with five or six other people and, as a direct result of the extra spicy chili con carne you had the night before, you rip ass. Nobody hears it, but all of a sudden the elevator begins to be overtaken by a smell that can only be described a mixture of boiled eggs and decaying cat carcass. Amidst all the gagging and retching someone yells out "Oh gross! Who farted!?"

Now here's my question: do you, in the spirit of 'Radical Honesty', admit that it was in fact your ass that smells like an overflowing burial pit on a hot summer's day to this crowd of people you are asphyxiating in this confined space, or do you remain silent and let the blame get lost in anonymity?



Somehow I imagine the scenario would play out a lot like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a43kowi2ncI&feature=related

[peanutbuttershoes]

HAHAHA 

ahhhhhh... man.