All the people on my facebook wall. They keep posting solidarity shit about the wall street protests. The one percent are greedy assholes, sinking the economy, tax cuts for the wealthy are welfare for the rich, etc.
Jobs dies. Guy arguably falls into
every single one of the rich asshole stereotypes that they say about the "1%."
Everyone is sad. Sidetracked. They stop talking about protest.
If this is a test of their convictions, then surely they have none.
Do you really think that Steve Jobs planned to die at age 55? Like he was writing up his 10-year plan one day and decided to schedule "pancreatic cancer" somewhere in there? All I'm saying is, who knows, maybe he planned to implement some wonderful philanthropic plan later, when he had the funds to implement them. But fate would not wait for that day to come.
This is a standard argument a wife makes about an abusive husband. "Surely, in the future they may intend to change."
My friends at
Panic built their entire company/ethos around Apple. Because of [Apple] they've become quite successful.
Pilot fish benefit from following sharks and picking up the leftover bits of their meals. The environment created by the shark leaves a niche for the pilot fish to fill. Does this make the shark a philanthropist?
It's also possible that he gave money anonymously (which would be more noble than making a big show of it, wouldn't it?).
It's also possible that god exists; we merely have no evidence or basis for believing it. You see where I'm going with this. You've made atheist arguments in previous threads that come down to weighing evidence. Same arguments hold up against you here.
Moving but trite. Being capable of making motivational speeches about believing in yourself =/= being deserving national mourning. Psychopathic personalities are capable of being charming. Infamous serial killer Jeffery Dahmer once kidnapped a man--who then escaped, naked and wounded, to the police and told them everything. But once they heard Dahmer's side of the story they gave the man back to him. When Jobs was criticized for being a nutcase, random firings, playing horrifying psychological wargames with his employees, he made a statement about "pushing his already great employees to be even greater." It's just rhetoric.
ignoring actually important people.
Any examples?
I think he's referencing
this post that listed other people who died around the same time as Jobs, but have gone unnoticed in the shadow of the publicity surrounding Job's death, such as the very man who's medical research helped Steve Jobs live up to now rather than dieing four years ago.
Thats because this is a game development forum and it's filled with people who are interested in computer scripting. I'm sure those peoples deaths were morned on forums dedicated to the fields they worked in and made an impact on.
You're lying to yourself. I haven't heard of any of the people dying that Paul listed in this thread, and in all probability, neither have you. It's a fact that more media attention has gone to Steve Jobs. This isn't about him--it's about society. It's about worship.
If two people die on the same day, where one was responsible for the cure of a debilitating illness, and the other created deep-fried-cookie-dough-covered-sausages-on-a-stick, and that became a staple of the American diet, we'd mourn the cookie dough guy. They both have big influence on the world, but the one that was more economically productive and created a franchise empire is mourned more--because bottom line, that's what we worship.
That's what Allen's argument is about. One person mourning the cookie-dough guy and ignoring the disease guy is fine. It's a matter of an individual's psychological perspective. But when the entire group does it, when articles about the cookie-dough guy are quantifiably longer and more abundant, it becomes sociological data. The people that are pointing this out have valid points. It's not just about Jobs--it's about all of us. We mourn a guy who's net positive influence is questionable. Therefore it's not because he had a positive influence on the world, but rather because of his economic success and an association with luxury products that we like. Simple.
Dedication, passion and drive are the only things that separate people like him from the rest of society. Thats why I respect him and don't care weather or not he was a good or bad person.
This is naive.
From just a numbers perspective, Apple stock was at $6 a share before he came back to the company, and now it has eclipsed Microsoft, and even momentarily become the most valuable company in the United States.
Can't deny he was a business genius though.
Extremely smart businessman and marketing guy, though.
but he was one dang good businessmen and I doubt he died with very many regrets.
By these definitions of "business savvy," I could round all of you up, sell you into slavery, and (so long as I made a fortune doing it,) you'd all praise me for it. At some point a line should be drawn between businessman and thug.
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