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[Golds]

contrary to the popular belief that Steve Jobs is a computing genius who does and thinks of every thing by himself

The only people who seem to be pushing that "popular belief" in this thread are you guys, so you can whine about it

[Smithy]

Uh.
You're the guy that was pushing that. 

[Golds]

WTF are you talking about?  I linked to a bunch of sources. But Jesus, you guys just want to hate.  Have at it.

[Smithy]

They were responding to YOU.
I don't want to hate. I don't want to blindly believe anything. I'm just weighing facts and observation. If facts say that Jobs wasn't a saint and that the corporate ruled world is harmful, that's what I'm going to believe.

[Paul Eres]

thanks for the book recommendation, i'll wishlist it (i'm familiar with that part of computer history through other works, but haven't read that particular book)

and i don't think anyone in this thread hates steve jobs. what they hate is that he's being worshiped for doing, at best, a mixed bag of good and bad things; i've seen him described as civilization-like 'great person', the kind who is born only once every 100 years, which is so ridiculous that i don't even think steve jobs himself believed that about himself. so it isn't about steve jobs, it's about society's reaction to his death, as has been repeatedly pointed out by smithy and allen

[allen]

why would I push that belief? read any random twitter or forum post or comments thread and this very forum people speak about steve jobs consider him a visionary, a guy who did things no one else could. which is wrong. he just had the opportunity and money and business savvy to get the job done. that's all he was good for.

I am not "hating". I am just saying that he isn't this super God many people make him out to be. He was a good businessman and that is that. Nothing to celebrate his life over or get sad about unless you knew him personally. He's just another dead businessman, why mourn the death of a billionaire who doesn't deserve it? Mourn the people who do deserve recognition and did actual work to advance society or used their wealth for philanthropic purposes. Not Steve Jobs who did neither of these things.

edit: christ how many times do we have to repeat this? I think they are ignoring this argument on purpose.

[_Tommo_]

he just had the opportunity and money and business savvy to get the job done. that's all he was good for.

And I guess that doing this starting from scratch is just something anyone can do right?
Also, never heard about that you make your own opportunities?

[allen]

yes to both. what point are you trying to make? once again you are looking over the meaning of my argument and randomly cherry picking and disecting the unimportant parts.

important part of my argument: society is glorifying a businessman who was wealthy and didn't donate or use his wealth for anything good while people who do _really_ important things go unnoticed and ignored.

unimportant part used in my argument: steve jobs was a good businessman

[Alevice]

people here like to complain that other people dont spotlight something they think it is important when they could

[Skomakar'n]

yes to both. what point are you trying to make?

I believe his point is that Steve didn't "just" have these things. "Just" is not a proper thing to say here, because he was good at these things. Really good at them. As far as I know, and from what I've been able to confirm after reading through this entire thread and watching the videos linked to, he didn't have the money from the beginning either.

[Paul Eres]

as an aside, he got the money to start apple by forcing woz to sell his car

also, i doubt anyone here has the power of the mainstream media and the global mind at their disposal, none of us can bring give the real heroes of the world the attention they deserve, and as smithy mentioned we're equally in the dark about those people exactly because they are ignored; it's a gross misunderstanding to think that this is about particular people not getting attention or getting attention, it's a systematic process, one which affects even the people that are aware of it, and the complaint is about that systematic process

[Superb Joe]

i hope i die before arnold schwarzenegger

[Glaiel-Gamer]

as an aside, he got the money to start apple by forcing woz to sell his car

I'm sure woz regrets that decision every day of his life.

[InkBlotBunny]

as an aside, he got the money to start apple by forcing woz to sell his car

also, i doubt anyone here has the power of the mainstream media and the global mind at their disposal, none of us can bring give the real heroes of the world the attention they deserve, and as smithy mentioned we're equally in the dark about those people exactly because they are ignored; it's a gross misunderstanding to think that this is about particular people not getting attention or getting attention, it's a systematic process, one which affects even the people that are aware of it, and the complaint is about that systematic process

A real hero is someone who does what they do without expecting attention or recognition.  If the deaths of any of these other "real heros" were all over the news then you probably would be bashing them as well.

[im9today]

a real hero has a horse with wings