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« Reply #120 on: November 15, 2014, 08:47:10 AM »

Yes, helmets block your view and the very heavy ones decrease the view range by a couple of tiles. They also make you exhaust more quickly and shooting bows and crossbows costs a lot of fatigue so better go without heavy helmets for your ranged guys.

We just finished a new dev blog article on random character generation, hiring and shopping. check it out:

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Dev Blog #33: Progress Update - Character Generation, Hiring and Shopping

With the Early Access release coming up early next year we try to step up our game and make a lot of progress each week. This week we have for you a complete rework of how Battle Brothers are generated and rendered. Get prepared for uniquely looking Battle Brothers with no less than 80,640 possible combinations for heads currently!

On the worldmap we also added two more core features - hiring new Battle Brothers and the buying and selling of equipment. Let’s take a look...

Character Generation Rework

We took a step back and reworked the whole process of how Battle Brothers are rendered in the game. First, all heads have been separated into hair, face and beard and made freely combinable. Second, we added a massive amount of faces, hairstyles and beards in different colors so that we ended up with a staggering 80,640 possible combinations of unique looking Battle Brothers - and that isn’t even counting in all the different equipment they can wear. For every campaign, all Battle Brothers will be randomly generated so that every player will get their very own set of mercenaries. Let’s take a look at this in action:



As we now have hair and beard on separate layers, helmets no longer need to be extra large to cover all hair. This allows both for more creative hairstyles and also to decrease helmet size by roughly 10%, resulting in more realistic proportions.



What is more, we also separated the armor from the bodies so that they also have a layer of their own and are rendered ontop of bodies. This makes it easier to show broken or damaged armor with parts missing and also allows Battle Brothers to have unique skin colors for more variety.

Hiring

A core mechanic in a game about mercenaries is hiring them, of course, which we just finished implementing.

When approaching a village or city you can visit the local tavern and have a look at all the volunteers offering their swordarm for coin. Each volunteer comes with their own background, like being a farmhand or a retired soldier, a procedural background story, and their own equipment. Both the hiring fee and the daily wage they request depend heavily on the character’s background. A skilled and seasoned sellsword who brings a chainmail and sword with him will cost as much as 10 times or more compared to a sickly beggar with a club. We want you to make some tough decisions here when deciding which volunteer to hire. Would you rather hire a few well equipped and battle hardened fighters, or a wild bunch of cheap beggars, thiefs and outcasts with no combat experience?



Like everywhere else in the game we don’t want to reveal more stats here than necessary. You won’t see any numbers besides the costs, but based on the background you’ll have a good idea of what to expect. Want a strong and sturdy Battle Brother? A farmhand or lumberjack is a good bet. Want someone good with ranged weapons? Try to hire a hunter. Need someone with combat experience? A sellsword or a retired soldier should do, although the latter might not have the stamina of a young man anymore. What is more, all characters come with traits, good and bad, which are also linked to backgrounds. Characters used to hard work are more likely to have the “strong” or “tough” traits, and while you won’t find any insecure adventurous nobles, they can be as brave as they can be cocky and overconfident.

There is also a chance of characters having a title based on their traits, like an especially large and sturdy character being known as “the Mountain”, which should give you a hint. You’ll have to hire them to find out what hidden traits they have exactly. If you want to know more, you can read up on character backgrounds and traits in an earlier dev blog article.

All in all, our goal is to have all the characters have a lot of, well, “character” despite them being randomly generated. Their unique looks, their background stories and their traits all come together for this. Some players won’t care about this, but if you don’t want a fisherman who strangled his wife to death in your band of mercenaries, you better take a close look at who it is that is applying to join you.

Ye Olde Shoppe

What do you do with your freshly hired Battle Brothers? Get them some weapons for bashing in heads of course!

In villages and cities, but also in military locations like watchtowers and strongholds, you can spend your crowns on equipment like weapons and armor and also sell surplus equipment to fill up the piggybank. Shops have different equipment for sale depending on the wealth of the location and the type. A civilian village will sell different things than a military stronghold, and some pieces of weapons and amor will only be available in one of the two.



The wealth of a location also determines the quality and quantity of available equipment, as well as its price. Villages that are bled dry from bandit raids and lost a lot of wealth will have little to offer you, whereas rich cities will have a great selection of equipment for you to purchase at kingly prices. If you make it your mission to protect a village for some time, even if the village isn’t able to reward you much at first, you can see it grow and stock up on better equipment.
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« Reply #121 on: November 15, 2014, 12:29:17 PM »

careful, there's a zombie hiding among the battle brothers!

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I like the fact that you'll have to read the characters' backstories to judge if they'll fit your group or not, like if you were really hiring troops in a tavern and asking candidates about their bios to learn something about them. Cool stuff
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« Reply #122 on: November 16, 2014, 02:24:08 AM »

A zombie? Humbert never was the talkative kind but that explains the moaning and groaning he has resorted to lately!

With not giving too much information when hiring Brothers:
The idea behind it is, that we want the player to use even suboptimal Battle Brothers he would never hire when having all the information. We think that fighters with flaws make for way more interesting stories, characters and events instead of all the polished shining knights (we have those too though;) ).
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« Reply #123 on: November 16, 2014, 04:32:26 AM »

exactly, I love this approach!

and I can't wait to hire my not-as-good-as-other troops  Smiley
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« Reply #124 on: November 23, 2014, 01:57:47 AM »

Another week and another update. This time we have been working on new armor, a helmet rework and custom banners:

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Dev Blog #34: Progress Update - New Armor, Helmet Rework, Banners

As every week, we have some sweet new stuff for you. We went back to take a look at all the armor in the game and reworked all helmet appearances and armor values. What is more, we added some missing body armors to get a nice progression of armor values into the game. To round things up, a banner generator is in the works that will allow you to create your very own custom banner when starting a new game of Battle Brothers.

Lets explore this in more detail.

New Body Armors

We want to have a smooth progression of both the protection that armor offers, as well as their price and how rare they are in the game. Until recently, there were some big jumps in armor values - for example there was little inbetween a simple mail shirt and the heavy coat of plates. With some new armor added, we filled these gaps and now have a great and steady progression.

The heavier armors are quite expensive and hard to come by, so you’ll likely only be able to afford them later in the game. They’re also quite rare so that you’ll never find them on offer in great quantities and only in rich cities and strongholds to begin with.



The protection from armor is crucial though, as a Battle Brother with little or no armor may be struck down with a single lucky hit. Before you know it you’ll see heads flying about left and right if you don’t get your guys some protection. Just take a look at our last gameplay video showcasing a tough and gory fight against orcs: Orc Line Battle Video.



The new armors from top left to top right are

Heraldic Coat of Plates: Two layers of leather with heavy metal plates rivetted inbetween on top of a full mail shirt.
Coat of Scales: A heavy armor made of overlapping metal scales covering most of the body.
Scale Armor: A body vest with overlapping scales.
Heavy Lamellar Harness: A lamellar armor that covers most parts of the body with thick, overlapping metal plates for maximum protection.
Mail Shirt: A mail shirt with shoulder guards providing excellent protection against most weapons.
On the bottom row we have a variety of linen tunics to get some more flavor into that early game when you’re hiring farmhands, lumberjacks and fishermen that don’t own any armor of their own.

Reworked Helmets

Until now all helmet variations within the same category were just visual flavor. This led to the odd situation where a helmet with a complete mail coif underneath gave the same amount of armor points as a helmet with just a piece of cloth underneath.

To remedy this we split all visual variations into items of their own and gave them individual levels of armor points, malus to maximum fatigue and to sight range. This way we now have a ton of unique helmets and you’ll be able to instantly recognize which helmet will grant more or less protection or inhibit your Battle Brothers’ field of view. What you see is what you get, basically.



We’re happy now with the variety of armors and helmets in the game and feel that they’re ready for our upcoming Early Access release. For the final game there’ll also be unique legendary items that come with their very own visuals, name, background story and sometimes even magical properties. They’ll be very hard to get and we’ll do a dedicated article on them in time.

Custom Banner Creation

When starting out with your brand new mercenary company you’ll get the opportunity not just to name it, but also to create a custom banner for it. Just like the player, all locations - villages, watchtowers or orc camps - will have their own banner, as will the parties that originate from there. This way you can quickly identify a party’s affilliance and know where they come from.

The banners will be composed of a banner shape, a pattern, a main emblem and additional secondary emblem. You’ll also be able to choose from a variety of colors, of course. These are just some possible color combinations:



There will be a variety of banner shapes to choose from.



Here are some examples we created to show the possibilities of the banner generator with included main emblem and secondary emblem. Note that these are still in development and not implemented in the game yet.



 
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« Reply #125 on: November 23, 2014, 03:54:51 AM »

This reminds me of Blood brothers on android, too much. It's the same game style, the same graphic style, with the heads, and even the title. For me it's too much similarity. Just somethig to think of.
But anyways it looks really great! Something i'd definitely play. Smiley
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« Reply #126 on: November 23, 2014, 03:32:03 PM »

I really like the look and concept of Battle Brothers. Strikes me as Mount and Blade-esque company building meets gorgeous 2D tactical battles. The bust figures are also really growing on me.


This reminds me of Blood brothers on android, too much. It's the same game style, the same graphic style, with the heads, and even the title. For me it's too much similarity. Just somethig to think of.
But anyways it looks really great! Something i'd definitely play. Smiley

This strikes me as an odd comparison. I've come across Blood Brothers before, and while I haven't played it, I did go back to look it up again and it's has a highly-stylized Gothic anime minifigurine aesthetic. The heads are rather large, it's true, but that's not uncommon in anime, and no one would mistake it for the more "western" and "representational" look of Battle Brothers. I can't speak to it's gameplay, but turn-based tactical games are all fairly similar, hence our ability to collect them all under one genre.
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« Reply #127 on: November 23, 2014, 07:45:26 PM »

This reminds me of Blood brothers on android, too much. It's the same game style, the same graphic style, with the heads, and even the title. For me it's too much similarity. Just somethig to think of.
But anyways it looks really great! Something i'd definitely play. Smiley
You mean this game?
If so I don't agree at all

Cool new armors btw Smiley
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« Reply #128 on: November 24, 2014, 02:03:27 AM »

The distinction to other games will become more obvious once we can actually show some worldmap gameplay. I think good comparisons are Mount & Blade as well as Shadow of the horned rat.
I have become really reluctant with using the comparison to JA and especially xcom as everyone and their mother refers to their own game as "inspired by xcom" just because it is turn based. Thats a little sad.
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« Reply #129 on: November 24, 2014, 06:49:32 PM »

The distinction to other games will become more obvious once we can actually show some worldmap gameplay. I think good comparisons are Mount & Blade as well as Shadow of the horned rat.
I have become really reluctant with using the comparison to JA and especially xcom as everyone and their mother refers to their own game as "inspired by xcom" just because it is turn based. Thats a little sad.

I can see what you mean. So many games make those claims, and many of them are, shall we say, less than amazing, that the "Inspired by X-Com/Jagged Alliance" has lost all positive connotation. It must be frustrating to have what should be a positive aspect of your game be tainted by the slew of unrelated titles. I mean, nothing about you or your inspiration or your game has changed, yet being open about such an inspiration can now be harmful to you. That's messed up.
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« Reply #130 on: December 06, 2014, 04:48:40 AM »

We are putting a lot of work into the worldmap right now so not that much to show, just a quick update this week:

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Dev Blog #35: Worldmap Progress and Feature Lists

Finishing all core mechanics is our top priority right now and a lot of work is getting done on the underlying mechanics of the strategic worldmap. Unfortunately, this also means that we don’t have anything flashy to show you this week.

In the meantime we gathered all the most important information of previous blog posts into 3 detailed feature lists. Each feature comes with a status so that you can see at a glance if it has already been implemented or is yet to come, which should give you a good idea of where we are at with the game.


Worldmap Progress

The worldmap is in the center of our attention right now as we implement all the core mechanics. Most of the work is already done and we now focus on the strategic AI that guides individual factions and the mercenary contracts that will be offered to the player on various occasions.



At the same time, we’re doing a rework of the worldmap visuals. The look we had for the worldmap wasn’t entirely satisfying to us, and neither was it flexible enough for our more ambitious goals. We’re still experimenting with a new style, but it will look something like in the image above. Instead of trees and similar being painted directly onto tiles, those tiles now only cover the ground while objects are independently placed on another layer ontop. This allows for more natural and less repetitive looking landscapes and transitions between different terrain types. More importantly, it also gives us more flexibility for dynamically changing the world, such as forests slowly becoming corrupted or fields being burned as the nearby village is raided. We should be able to share the final look with you in the next few weeks.

Detailed Feature Lists

With no less than 34 blog posts to read so far, gathering information about the game can be quite a bit of work. Since our Early Access release is also coming closer we think this is an opportune time to get all the most important information in one place.

We’ve therefore extended the “Features” category on our website with three additional feature lists containing more detailed information about aspects of the strategic worldmap, the tactical combat and the factions in the game. Even more importantly, you’re also able to see what feature has been implemented so far and what is still to come. The feature lists will always be updated when a new feature is implemented so that you can follow the progress we make. Every feature that is marked as “implemented” will be in the Early Access release guaranteed, so the list can also help you to decide whether to get the Early Access version or not.

Head over to the three feature pages to learn about where the game is at and what is still to come:

Worldmap Feature List

Tactical Combat Feature List

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If you have any questions or ideas we are always looking for feedback
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« Reply #131 on: Today at 09:20:06 AM »

Finally we have the first video of the worldmap in action for you! In the vid i explain the core functions and mechanics and you will get a pretty good idea how the worldmap works. Have a look and let me know what you think:

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« Reply #132 on: Today at 12:36:40 PM »

real impressive stuff, can't wait to play this
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