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[st33d]

a concerned independent developer posts about his experience with judges not playing his game.

To be fair, he abused knowledge he shouldn't have had and according to one of the comments on his post he harassed the judges assigned. Then instead of addressing the organisation - the problem, he addresses the internet. Bit of a dick, no? (And his game has a virtual joystick  ) I also like how his blog css has changed to something less eye-bleeding.

So I doubt it's as clear cut as it seems.

I also don't think the judges are going to get any more responsible if the amount of entries keeps going up.

It's like charity fatigue living in a city. You just end up vilifying all the beggars and collectors because there's thousands of the buggers.

[Paul Eres]

That said, I get the feeling that Paul is basing his opinion on THE SCREENSHOTS OF THE GAME.  Surely this is more than a bit hypocritical...  Correct me if I'm wrong.

i linked to the game's trailer as well

i also own the game

[Fallsburg]

Ok, so Chrome just crashed and threw out about 1200 words and I'm too lazy to retype it all. I'm just going to hit the highlights.

Straw man time:
Obama v McCain 2008 US Prez election.  Hypothetically, someone in Massachusetts hacks a voting machine so that it converts 1000 votes from Obama to McCain.  Obama still wins MA by ~800,000 votes.  That doesn't make the hacking ok.

Lesson time:
Just because the end results might not change, doesn't make the system ok.  If the system is broken (and I think that the Kale fiasco shows it is, but obviously others disagree), then the system should be fixed.  The end results don't change that.



http://www.unwinnable.com/2012/02/23/the-igf-is-just-fine-youre-the-problem/
This is the most abhorrent thing to be written about the situation.
Want to know how I found out about it?
Brandon retweeted it.
...
because that really helps the dialogue.  

Plea to the IGF:
Stop doubling down. This mantra of "the system works. the system works. THE SYSTEM WORKS." isn't helping.  At best it makes you appear out of touch with people's concerns. At worst it makes you appear callous and unfeeling.  The best thing you guys could do right now would be to say "Sorry. We fucked up.  We thought our judging system was adequate, but obviously there are problems that need to be fixed.  We hope that this never happens again."  

[Paul Eres]

You do realize the catalyst for the current discussion is a game that so completely invokes Gameboy aesthetics that it presents itself as a fictional port of a 1992 title, right?

considering i've played game boy games with both better art and better sound than many of the igf visual and audio category winners, i'm not sure why that matters? unless it's just discrimination against the gameboy or something

but yeah, like was said above, this isn't about that particular game. it's about that game and all the hundreds of other games which were also only played for five minutes or less (many of which were mentioned in the comments to that one article)

[phubans]

http://www.unwinnable.com/2012/02/23/the-igf-is-just-fine-youre-the-problem/

this is the kind of judges IGF have?

a concerned independent developer posts about his experience with judges not playing his game. this angry prick of a judge then goes off an some rant about technical issues and then ends the post with a nice "fuck you".

~~~~~~indie games~~~~~~

Wow, I'm speechless. This is beyond immature, classless, and disgusting. There are no words. I really hope there is a future alternative for indie games that doesn't involve [people who seem undesirable] holding all the reigns. [I disagree with this].

EDITED for using less "colorful" words to describe people and situations when I'm angry. I am angry, though. I feel this is messed up. It's outrageous enough when a girl is raped, but to say she was raped because it was her fault is terrible.

[Paul Eres]

But disagreeing with Bit.Trip winning is based on personal preference, not how much time was given to the games.

that's not necessarily true. if, for example, the aforementioned alternative, dust: an elysian tale, was only played for 5 minutes, or not played at all, and not nominated for visuals, it would then have been overlooked for the visual category exactly because of how much time was given to games. the same is true for any other game with great visuals which wasn't played

besides, this is exactly why i feel your desire for examples of what games people felt should have won instead of other games is besides the point: because it always is going to come down to different tastes. but i suspect that at least in *most* people's tastes, an elysian tale looks like it has more impressive visuals than bittrip runner

[Dragonmaw]

i like how every year the igf thread turns into this

[peanutbuttershoes]

do you really? because I kind of am enjoying this.

[The Monster King]

Many judges DID do this sort of thing.

well maybe make it "all of them" instead of many!! pwned.... B)
but yeah I don't think it would be those judges we are talking about, then
"this guy did something wrong, he should've done X!" "well this other guy DID do X" "thats a OTHER GUY"
wow double pwned....... BB)

Regarding money!  When you enter a competition--any competition--your money goes towards:

1) Running the event

2) Shit the finalists win

you'd sort of expect the "running the event" part to include "making sure judges judge all games"? "whoops guys we got all the games but we forgot the judging!!! we'll pick a winner at random ok?"

http://www.unwinnable.com/2012/02/23/the-igf-is-just-fine-youre-the-problem/

this is the kind of judges IGF have?

wowww what a piece of shit!!
also why does litterally all of the judges speak as if their time was reaaally limited? if that's such a huge issue couldn't they give the judges more time?? have they been told to tell the public that they are human beings and have other things to balance? is it some kind of indirect snipe HHHEH WE DONT HAVE AS MUCH FREE TIME AS YOU _NERDS_ WE HAVE A LIFE
probably not that's stupid!!! but maybe give the judges more time??? and get judges that dont have a million things to do!! "hello you will have to review 20 games and it would be cool if you spent a few ten minutes on each!! thats a lot of time ok????"

i mean its the main excuse that comes up but even then its not really a valid one
the other one is "it didnt work" and that sounds like feedback that is pretty fast to send. it didnt work sry! on windows 7 64
WOW 30 seconds of my time omg but nope im too busy for that... too busy..........

you gotta understand though, the judges that didnt play the games are the problem, but the ones that didnt are cool!!! I mean I know the communication is the most amiable but the problem is presented there, and the only responses are "maybe it didnt work" and "not enough time!! WE ARE HUMANS" well guess what
im a monster, hire me B)
no but maybe give judges more time next year?? and get kind judges, dont hire mean ones those suck.. and make sure they play their assigned games?

[Paul Eres]

monster king that sounds reasonable you have to realize by now that humans are not like monsters

also, phubans, did you read the part in the comments where she was like 'if a judge doesn't even play your game it's your fault, because the game looked so bad they didn't even need to play it' -- hahah

and that brandonnn retweeted it shows that he sort of considers that judge a great judge, and she'll be back next year for more of the same

[bento_smile]

monster king that sounds reasonable you have to realize by now that humans are not like monsters

Monsters have more time to judge games because of extra heads and limbs..? Maybe we are on to something...

[Manuel Magalhães]

i like how every year the igf thread turns into this

IGF - Indignation Gaming Fuckfest

[Paul Eres]

no i meant that humans are not reasonable, like monsters are. if a monster is hurt it casts heal or runs away, if a human is hurt it uses gamefaqs or hacks the game

[bento_smile]

I dunno, most monsters just stand there when hurt while I hit them with same critical magic until they die. :/

Can monsters even make videogames?

[zratchet]

Sounds like someone needs a producer because they didn't ship on time.