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[moi]

also, of interest: UNTINU

[Paul Eres]

what about henry kissinger

[moi]

he's like Rumsfeld's sith master

[Zaphos]

Do you have a link to where you got this

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Seven+Worlds+Index

[C.D Buckmaster]

I hope you dont agree with that list. Do you have a link to where you got this cause I found a lot of flaws in the idea.

1- What about republics? My country is a republic. Democracy is easier to exploit.

2- What about large countries that are also democratic/republic/constitutional monarchy but are opposed to your actions(Sweden, Russia, Australia)

3- The thing about newly industrialized countries is that they are already owned by some other huge country. Its the only way they can become industrialized in the first place. It is rare to have them develop by themselves.

4- They are being exploited. I find it VERRY disturbing how many powerful countries have many week poor countries right next to them.(Russia - the southern Russian states. US - Haiti and mexico etc)

5- I dont know where you got this but if the people agree with this kind of knowledge then I am sorry. It just doesn't make sense how doing economic genocide is better than letting the country prosper and not be under your rule.

6- The least logical of the lot. How does it make a country a threat if it has a particular belief? I could say that every country could make a list of "threat" states that they were against due to their religion. Then I guaranty every country would have enemies.

7- You play too much civ 5.

1- When people say Democracy, they mean Republic, I don't think a true Democracy has existed for centuries.

2-Australia is a strong ally of the US and has a substantial amount of troops in Iraq.

[antybaner]

superorgansisms such as nations are not human beings, so they are under no obligations to act in humane ways, and never have. the moment you have a nation trying to act in a humane way (such as to avoid atrocities) is the moment that nation is conquered by another nation. it's not a good thing but it's how it works; nations care no more about killing people than you care about the bacteria you kill when you wash your hands

The order of things shouldn't be judged by what they are not like but rather what they are made of. Nations are made of people and there for should act humane. A nation is not defined by its organizations or its buildings. If a nation becomes defined by its buildings or organizations/institutions then yea, it can no longer act inhumane and, as a side effect, its people will start to become defined by its nations actions. but that isn't how its supposed to be. And things have changed. Besides, things have changed. If there is no news tampering, then you can fight a war with people not guns. My country got its independence from communism in this way. When the tanks were coming in the people stood and held hands in a long chain that spanned the entire country. Normally the tanks could open fire but the people were unarmed and there were reporters filming the whole thing. The idea was that if we were attacked after all, then the footage would be given spread across the whole world and the people of every nation would know what is happening.
I think today it wouldn't work like that since the news is corrupt.  They dont even tell you half the truth. The internet is like the only last hope for true information.

So yeah, do you have a soul Paul? Your attitude is like you're some dude in a spaceship looking down at earth and making little experiment measurements of it and such while the whole thing kills its self. 

[Paul Eres]

so we should judge humans by cells, because we are made of cells? i don't think it works like that, there's this thing called emergent properties

[eclectocrat]

Every nation has a great interest in population control. NK is the giant experiment that all superpowers are eagerly watching and learning from. Just like when the US harboured Nazi scientists under project paperclip, the result of these experiments justify the brutal means (to psychopathic racist oligarchs). The future of society is being planned and tweaked in NK.

[starsrift]

so we should judge humans by cells, because we are made of cells? i don't think it works like that, there's this thing called emergent properties

I feel we could tie this idea into indie games some how.

[Paul Eres]

we could at least tie it into games in general: spore was basically a game about different levels of organization: single-celled organisms up to galaxy-spanning civilizations. each level had different rules and different gameplay. the same is true in real life: the rules nations go by are different than the rules people go by, which are different than the rules their cells go by

[antybaner]

Yeah you say that now. The people always believe in the survival of the fittest as long as they are the fittest. The fact that something works logically/is efficient does not mean its ethical. True ethics = the people are equal.

Theres been quite a feeling that people cant be equal because then they just screw around and yeah. that's often true, though mostly due to hidden higher powers.

About the germs and systems etc. Are you serious? germs are not sentient. humans are the only known species that is truly sentient. Ever heard of the phrase "I think therefor I am"?
Since countries are made of people and people have their own thoughts then this applies but not people. If people were to be viewed the same as germs then I could kill you on the spot and cannibalize on you.

Back on topic. Why isn't there a protest against the US's intervention in other countries? Its not right that people can just walk in an say "Yup, were gona start a democracy now". The people there now say they liked it better when they were under the dictatorship.

[DavidCaruso]

True ethics = the people are equal.

Lol, you're going to need to explain to me how handicapping people is "ethical" given how people are born not only socially inequal but also biologically inequal (potential intelligence, attractiveness, physical strength, etc.)

Theres been quite a feeling that people cant be equal because then they just screw around and yeah. that's often true, though mostly due to hidden higher powers.

Hidden higher powers?! Like the Illuminati?!?!?!?!?! The "higher powers" here aren't hidden at all, you just need to know where to look.

Ever heard of the phrase "I think therefor I am"?

Uhh I'm pretty sure Descartes was talking about verifying existence not sentience.

Since countries are made of people and people have their own thoughts then this applies but not people. If people were to be viewed the same as germs then I could kill you on the spot and cannibalize on you.

Yes you could. I could also kill you in the process while protecting myself. As George Carlin said: where the fuck are you going to find a fairer deal than that?

Why isn't there a protest against the US's intervention in other countries? Its not right that people can just walk in an say "Yup, were gona start a democracy now". The people there now say they liked it better when they were under the dictatorship.

There hasn't been much protest against US intervention in other countries because 1) OBL and "terrorism" being used as a boogeyman fearmongering brand (as well as other, lesser leaders; remember when al-Zarqawi died, got reborn, and had his leg reattached just for his home video?), 2) economic decline and climbing deficit (not that this matters too much...I mean who's actually going to call the US out on any of it? if Greece's impending collapse would send shock tremors through the world economy then imagine what a true American crash would do), 3) complacent population who over time have diluted the meaning of a "protest" to almost nothing (and who will generally do whatever and believe whatever the state wants them to anyway as long as they still believe they have any power, it's just a question of how long or how delayed any change will be; on a large scale you can in fact think of people as germs.)

[John Sandoval]

i like you david caruso

youre a good man

[Manuel Magalhães]

i like you david caruso

youre a good man

[Paul Eres]

the idea that humans are the only "sentient" species is so weird i don't even know how to respond to that, but you were raised religious so i guess it makes sense that you'd believe that. consciousness and experience are inherent in any creature with a brain and sense organs, it's not restricted to humans. their experience may be different, but they have consciousness

but regardless, consciousness isn't a necessary prerequisite of life and organized systems. nations (and other superorganisms) are more complex than any individual person, because they are composed of people and their interconnections: nations are a higher form of life than people are, because they are composed of people. if they don't have consciousness they have something even higher and more intricate than consciousness: culture. as an illustration of this: examine how much your culture and tradition (such as your religion) control your thoughts and behavior. that is how superorganisms control their constituent parts. nations are not bound by the same rules people are, even though they sometimes pretend to be bound by those rules and lie that they are following those rules in order to placate their populations

since there are always going to be wars and atrocities, the best we can do is try to limit them, and the way to limit them, as i said, is by having a balance of three superpowers in the world, rather than one or two superpowers. counter-intuitively that's the most balanced system, because if any one of them tries to go to war with any other one of them, there's a third one ready to team up against one or the other of them, dissuading conflicts

but this is a long time off; for now the US will continue its violent collapse, for at least a few decades more. the only reason we haven't invaded iran is because the wars in iraq and afghanistan went so badly; that shows that no amount of money and technology will make up for small numbers of troops and poor planning and strategy. so the US now has to resort to robots (drones), bombs, and using rebels (as in libya) who actually know how to fight to do its fighting for it