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[The Monster King]

Abortion is a toughy for me.

are you a pregnant teenage girl

then no its not "a toughy" for you

[peanutbuttershoes]

i would reply to that but I don't want this to be

Abortion; or, The Morality of a Widely Accepted Practice, A Thread That Will Push The Definition of 'Downward Spiral' to New Heights

[The Monster King]

yes i suppose we shouldnt go there but what did anyone fucking expect by doing a political thread OH RIGHT ITS ANTIMATTER ITS A TROLL/KRAZYKID THREAD ANYWAY

[Painting]

it's tigsource of course we have to do this shit

[peanutbuttershoes]

ON A FETUS MAYEB TYOU'D THINK THAT TGHEROUGH A LITTLE MOAR>
BUT ALASKA ALWAYS WAS AMARICAN. NEVER WASN"T
WAR IS GOOD, STIMULATES THE CONOMY. OPEN UP YOUR MIND TO JESUS AND THE 9 COMMANDMENTS.

[Capntastic]

Wrath of the Harborman, a play in three acts

ACT 1: 

[A tepid inlet with a crumbling pier.]

[Enter Disheveled figure]

DF:  It is here I choose to make my plan manifest, I don the insignia and rank of Harborman, and the ocean and all it hides and reveals and berths and births are under my rule.
 
[He tosses a rock into the placid water]

DF:  What is this, a clot of matter rises from the depths.  I did not foresee this.  I find it putrid.  It shall attract seagulls, certainly, and then I shall be forced to deal with them.  I away now to my shack, wherein lay my scattergun.

[End scene]

[Mikademus]

I recognise that, it is from Boatmurdered, by that McUrist fellow?

[Capntastic]

No.

ACT 2:

[A cloud of gunsmoke rolls across the water, revealing masses of bird feathers and gore in its wake]

[Enter Harborman]

Harborman:  I have loosed my scattergun upon the seagulls and their progeny.  And yet, the waters of my domain have not been cleansed overly much by this riotous display.  Lo, a bubble forms upon the water, between two rafts of dead bird.

[The bubble emerges]

Harborman:  It is a toothy fish, frenzied by blood.  It disturbs my restful zone.  A passerby would be disturbed by this state of affairs, and I, the Harborman along this stretch of land, would be looked upon poorly.  I shall devise an apparatus to soothe the phlegm of Poseidon, returning peace and beauty.  I am the Harborman, and this is expected of me.

[End scene]

[squeakyReaper]

Ron Paul on abortion.

He's very pro-life on a personal level, and sees the entire thing as horrible. Especially late-term abortion. However, there's also this quote on the same page:

At the same time, Ron Paul believes that the ninth and tenth amendments to the U.S. Constitution do not grant the federal government any authority to legalize or ban abortion. Instead, it is up to the individual states to prohibit abortion.

In translation: "I think it's a bad thing, so pro-life people can support me. But I want states to decide, so pro-choice people can support me." At least, that's assuming it's a political device.

[Nix]

I don't think Ron Paul employs very many political devices at all. He is ideologically consistent and does what he does politically because he believes in them strongly. I agree with him on that too: personally I dislike abortion and in my personal life I would do everything I could to prevent it among friends, etc. but I don't the government has any place governing it, just like I don't think the government has any place deciding how marriages should work or what people consume.

[squeakyReaper]

On the what people consume thing, I'm more concerned about safety. Perhaps because I read "The Jungle" by that Sinclair fellow, so I might just be paranoid and all... but I do fear what happens when we allow medicinal companies and food providers to make their own standards of health and safety. I obsessively wash my fruit to make sure the pesticides that may or may not be on it get off, as is.

[peanutbuttershoes]

^ This is happening and... The government does have a crapton of regulations for food.

So... Should we should push harder at regulating food quality?

Or stop buying crap food?
If you buy crap it's your fault. Don't buy crap.

[squeakyReaper]

Well yeah, don't buy shit. It's hard to know what shit is. It's silly when you see a medicine commercial and it calmly prattles off a ton of disclaimers and warnings, but I'll take that over "Gee, I hope this headache medicine doesn't give me explosive diarrhea" or what have you.

[Mikademus]

Basically, anyone who believes that companies (including private people) should be free to produce food any way they want is insane. Food is one of the most important things to regulate for reasons of health, prevention of disease including regulating use of antibiotics on animals so as not to breed multi-resistant bacteria, and protection of the environment, and one of the easiest and most lucrative things to cut corners with or "boost". Let the market free on on food production and you have the situation with Chinese noodles with toxic waste in them for the attractive sheen and tensileness, or processed milk that kills infants. The last thing also happened with Nestle's cheap breast milk substitute in Africa in the late 70's, which was the cause of a million dead or chronically handicapped children.

Basically everything that has to do with the intersection of profit and medicine, food and public health needs to be extremely heavily regulated and supervised.

This is how the SANE portion of the world handles it...

[peanutbuttershoes]

or you can ditch the system and grow your own food.

That's a goal of mine. Someday. Someday.