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« Reply #390 on: February 07, 2012, 09:35:29 PM »

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« Reply #391 on: February 07, 2012, 09:58:29 PM »

but why would you fuck ron paul he doesnt support the gays do you get the joke i am very clever  Gentleman
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« Reply #392 on: February 08, 2012, 06:54:57 PM »

ron paul doesn't not support gays. he doesn't even think marriage should be a function of the federal government. he wants to let states decide and, given the current trend, more and more states are going to decide in favor of gay marriage.
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« Reply #393 on: February 08, 2012, 09:59:33 PM »

imo marriage isn't even something the state should manage. I don't see a legitimate political or economic reason for it.(if you want to argue tax breaks it would make much more sense to do it by financial independents per household instead of marriage)
There's also the fact that marriage is generally a rather religious ceremony, so the government shouldn't even be considering it. But then again, Christmas is a holiday. And so it Easter.

Damnit A'Murica.
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« Reply #394 on: February 08, 2012, 10:53:39 PM »

ron paul doesn't not support gays. he doesn't even think marriage should be a function of the federal government. he wants to let states decide and, given the current trend, more and more states are going to decide in favor of gay marriage.

as long as marriage is a legal institution, it should be a basic right to be able to marry another consenting adult

rights have to be enforced from the top down because there will always be places the majority will try to deny a minority rights- for a hundred years after slavery was abolished, blacks continued to be treated like shit in the south, until the civil rights act was passed and gave the federal government to prosecute overt discrimination

"state's rights" is fucking nonsense when you want to apply it to issues of basic human rights because there will always be places run by fucktards who want their state to be run like it was 1800

also: ron paul wants to repeal the civil rights act because it was a "failure"
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« Reply #395 on: February 09, 2012, 04:26:18 AM »

Back from the test.
Anyway...
I thought about it, and my thoughts are:
A) You said "There are some socilaists economy conutries that do well, therfore all other cotunries will do well in a socilaists economy". Which is a fallacy.
B) You have brought some measurment such as GDP per capital or something in which the US is behind European countries. It's just one metric and it doesn't tell the whole story like neglecting the fact that the US is still the strongest economy in the world. And is capitalist.
C) Last but not least, even if the US would do better with a socialist economy, many people(me included) would hate to have their wealth nomralized with massive taxes. I would hate to have to earn the same as someone who just finished high school and started selling vetables, even though I have years of industrial and academic experience.
Even if I would make more in that socialist economy, I would still prefer to make less, but with better compensation than a high schooler.
It's the principle.
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« Reply #396 on: February 09, 2012, 06:05:34 AM »

Man, pompi, you brighten up my day with your poor spelling, grammar, and incomprehensible logic. 

Given the way you present yourself, you aren't going to have to worry about high taxes.

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« Reply #397 on: February 09, 2012, 06:08:55 AM »

Man, pompi, you brighten up my day with your poor spelling, grammar, and incomprehensible logic. 

Given the way you present yourself, you aren't going to have to worry about high taxes.


Yea, I am not a native english speaker. Tongue
And thanks for the insults(the ones unrelated to me not being an english speaker), I appreaciate it.
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« Reply #398 on: February 09, 2012, 09:32:15 AM »

I guess you're replying to me. First: you need to qualify your usage of "socialist". I mean no insult, but you sound like you are very inexperienced with political and economical theories and models, and you use words and terms very loosely, inconsistently and erroneously.

Back from the test.
Anyway...
I thought about it, and my thoughts are:
A) You said "There are some socilaists economy conutries that do well, therfore all other cotunries will do well in a socilaists economy". Which is a fallacy.

Strawman, I made no such claim. Fact: The social-liberal economies of the world, including Scandinavian countries and Germany, and some others, are generally strong, stable and consistently rank much higher than the US in measurements of life satisfaction, education and quality of life indexes, while USA ranks around the same place as Mexico. Sources for this abound. Speculation: given the state of the US and its current trajectory, claiming that the country would have been better off under a regulated social-liberal system is a no-brainer since there is almost no way you could have a worse situation. In fact, changing to a lottery-based system controlled by Scientologists and reruns of Twilight Zone and Sesame Street would be better.

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B) You have brought some measurment such as GDP per capital or something in which the US is behind European countries. It's just one metric and it doesn't tell the whole story like neglecting the fact that the US is still the strongest economy in the world. And is capitalist.

We could argue that there is a difference between being the largest and the strongest economy, that is tangential, though. However, economic strength of a country should benefit the country's members: its citizens. In this case the median US American fares rather poorly, while those of by your words "less economically strong" countries fare much better.

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C) Last but not least, even if the US would do better with a socialist economy, many people(me included) would hate to have their wealth nomralized with massive taxes. I would hate to have to earn the same as someone who just finished high school and started selling vetables, even though I have years of industrial and academic experience.
Even if I would make more in that socialist economy, I would still prefer to make less, but with better compensation than a high schooler.
It's the principle.

First, having higher taxes and a progressive tax system does not mean perfectly equal income; work more or educate yourself and you generally earn significantly more in social-liberal markets too. Secondly, the average American pays private health insurances, saves for education, etc. In social-liberal economies among other things health care and higher education are free for citizens. After taking such post-tax private transactions into account the disposable income of the medial US American is actually lower than that of the median Swede, and significantly lower than that of Norwegians.

Blindly screaming "principle!" is the common denominator of tools, zealots, fundamentalists, fanatics and terrorists. I wager you would rather not belong to any of those categories?
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« Reply #399 on: February 09, 2012, 09:33:01 AM »

Why are you even replying to this guy, it's obvious he hasn't read any of your replies
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« Reply #400 on: February 09, 2012, 09:42:14 AM »

Because someone is wrong on the internet?
Because I want to try to save a fool kid from becoming a tool adult?
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« Reply #401 on: February 09, 2012, 10:24:30 AM »

ron paul doesn't not support gays. he doesn't even think marriage should be a function of the federal government. he wants to let states decide and, given the current trend, more and more states are going to decide in favor of gay marriage.

as long as marriage is a legal institution, it should be a basic right to be able to marry another consenting adult

rights have to be enforced from the top down because there will always be places the majority will try to deny a minority rights- for a hundred years after slavery was abolished, blacks continued to be treated like shit in the south, until the civil rights act was passed and gave the federal government to prosecute overt discrimination

"state's rights" is fucking nonsense when you want to apply it to issues of basic human rights because there will always be places run by fucktards who want their state to be run like it was 1800

also: ron paul wants to repeal the civil rights act because it was a "failure"

I don't agree with him. I guess we can't really know, but I think that he is so non-racist that he can't imagine how states' rights might be used as a vehicle for racism. He is a pretty smart man, though, so I'm probably being idealistic.
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« Reply #402 on: February 09, 2012, 10:36:03 AM »

Speaking of Ron Paul..    You can support him by playing this game:
http://www.dungeoneers.com/ronpaul
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« Reply #403 on: February 09, 2012, 10:44:11 AM »

Speaking of Ron Paul..    You can support him by playing this game:
http://www.dungeoneers.com/ronpaul
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« Reply #404 on: February 09, 2012, 11:17:00 AM »


For the sake of this argument, let's say I don't care about the life quality and the happiness of the country's citizens. That doesn't mean I approve China sort of conditions, but just the bare minimum of surviving.
So all your arguments about how everyone are high happy in Norway is irrelevant.
(Also, doesn't North european countries have some issues with depression and high suicide rates?)
In a social-liberal economies educated people earn more, but by how much? I heard from someone who lives in one of these countries that he complains about the taxes. Still, I would think that in the US the compensation for having more experience\education increase in a higher rate(let's say exponentially) eventhough the average or median is lower.
So on the lower end it's worse for the US, but on the higher end it's better for the US.
I think you are downplaying on how much uniform compensation people get for having more experience\education.
And finally, you didn't prove that this kind of social-liberal economy scales up. Germany has about $40k GDP per Capita, Norway has twice of that.
Germany's population is bigger than Norway, Germany has a stronger economy than Norway. Yet Germany's GDP per Capita is half that of Norway.
Here, now I am showing you numbers and rationalize that this kind of social liberal economy don't scale up. I will even get a step further and "proove" that there is a negative correlation between the population and the GDP per capita.
Even more so, the US GDP per capita is not so bad. It's 15 place in the world HIGHER THAN GERMANY which has LOWER POPULATION and is SOCIAL LIBERAL.
Now the numbers don't add up, do they?
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