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« on: March 16, 2012, 04:51:36 PM »

The full title is High Score: The Illustrated History of Electronic Games

If you are lucky enough to own the 1st or 2nd edition of it, you know that it's quite a massive tome. It's like a Yellow Pages of most video games ever created, only with pictures and interviews.

The author is apparently trying to release a 3rd edition, because the only way to get the book for the last couple of years was to source a used, stained and dogeared second hand copy from Ebay.

I don't think there's been any news about it, so I'm trying to spread the word:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/230165553/game-history-book-high-score-3rd-edition

Fingers crossed that it will be funded. It's a good read, I promise!
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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2012, 12:22:39 AM »

Wow, they limited the "donate 30$ dollars and get a copy" to 25 copies, so now you can only get a copy from the KS if you donate 50 dollars.  Pre-orders on Amazon are about 32 dollars, with the estimated final price being 50 dollars.  It's kind of shooting yourself in the foot to not cut your more fervent fans a deal, especially when without them nothing will be made.  As much as it'd be great to rely solely on kindness, not as many are gonna rush to get in on the ground floor of a project without some sort of incentive.

I mean, the Wasteland 2 KS went off like a rocket and I feel certain to attribute that to it having a sense of "give us 15 dollars now for a copy of a 50 dollar game in two years", which many see as a sort of investment on top of the altruistic intent of the action.
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2012, 02:29:34 PM »

the rewards definitely don't give any incentive for casual on-lookers like me to donate. I mean I'd like to help, but give me a deal or something.

30 bucks for the book seems reasonable, but only 25 available and all sold out. ok, 40 bucks for the e-book. seriously? ok so 50 bucks gets you the book. but I'm 30 dollars interested not 50 dollars interested.

it's a cool book though, my cousin has the second edition and it's really interesting.
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2012, 02:58:17 PM »

It certainly looks appealing but I definitely agree with the criticisms above.
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2012, 05:42:44 PM »

I own the Second edition, the price on the back of this says $25 USA. So I agree with the criticisms above as well. It's a great book though!
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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2012, 11:21:03 PM »

So there eBook option has sprung up at an amazing 40 dollars.  That's pretty bad.

Just because the final retail value is 50 dollars, does not mean that it's really cool to make the people who, ostensibly, are funding the project pay 50 dollars.  He's shifting the costs of production onto them up front, with no benefit to the people stepping up.  There's no reason they shouldn't have an at-cost donation tier of, say, 20 dollars or however much.

40 dollars up front for an ebook copy is just inexcusable, even if he admits he's got to pay the publisher for them.

Him and the publisher are profiting a huge amount on the people they're trying to secure funds from.  Yeah there's some minor incentives like 'have your name written down in the book in a list no one will read', which is fine, but this whole operation is literally having the backers pay for the production of a product and still pay full price.
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2012, 07:48:09 AM »

From the creator of this Kickstarter:
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if you could clear things up with these people on the forum, please explain that the $50 tier is necessary because I have to purchase the books and pay for packaging and shipping. I would barely break even on the $30 options. Even the ebook is going to cost me. My publisher is not donating the books, so this is not an example of me covering myself up front. It's a matter of trying to fund the project. It's easier to give away a digital copy of something you own for $15 as the cost of goods is $0. For me, it's a hard cost I can't avoid since my publisher will charge me. If you can let people know, I would appreciate it.
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2012, 08:42:07 AM »

This is awesome!

I'll probably kick in to get a copy.
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2012, 12:14:48 PM »

Amazon is definitely the way to go for this.
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2012, 12:33:50 PM »

Rewards seem a little nonsensical, I'm not sure why I'd want to pay full for the book up front and not get it for who knows how long. The other reward tiers are basically just asking me to donate money :|
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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2012, 01:05:35 PM »

i would think the kickstarter would be to avoid a traditional publisher
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2012, 01:48:50 PM »

Rewards seem a little nonsensical, I'm not sure why I'd want to pay full for the book up front and not get it for who knows how long. The other reward tiers are basically just asking me to donate money :|

That's kinda how Kickstarter works.
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2012, 03:01:36 PM »

i would think the kickstarter would be to avoid a traditional publisher

that's what I thought, but it appears that he has to fund the book himself and they are just going to distribute it.
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2012, 03:10:12 PM »

Rewards seem a little nonsensical, I'm not sure why I'd want to pay full for the book up front and not get it for who knows how long. The other reward tiers are basically just asking me to donate money :|

That's kinda how Kickstarter works.

Yeah except as stated, backers aren't expected, at least in the better ones, to front the full cost of a product.  As stated, the Wasteland 2 kickstarter sets one up with the full game at 15 dollars, because it's a digital download, and there's no reason to limit how many people get that- especially when the more people donate, the more money they get.

If you have a publisher who is not going to budge on basically giving people a discount at all for funding the creation of the product, then what is the point of having both a publisher and a kickstarter?  It's the publisher's job to have funds to make the product and pay the dude, so why have pledgers back the costs and end up paying more for the final product?

I understand he wants some up front money to do interviews and get some more art in, and stuff, but either have the publisher pay for that, or give the people who are paying for it to be made a discount.  Or break away from a traditional publisher and do print on demand.  

There's just so many flaws in the way he's going about this.

This is Joss Whedon saying "yeah a film company has decided to let me make another season of Firefly and put it out on DVD.  But I need to front the costs.  And if you donate, your reward is that you get to pay more for the DVD than everyone else will."

So the film company isn't doing anything other than making pure profit off of it-- why have them be involved?  Even if you really want the project to succeed, that's fine, but it's still a really wonky system that places all the costs on not just the consumer- but the core fans who should be treated with maybe a little more respect.   Since they're the ones who are working to make it happen.

Edit:  To clarify, there was a wildly popular KS for an espresso machine a few months back.  For the lower tier pledges you'd get neat little coffee goodies, like a tamp and a measuring spoon or whatever.  The KS was to get money to put the design they had into mass production, to sell for 400 dollars- which is about as much as decent espresso machines run.  If you donated 200 dollars though, you would get one of the espresso machine, because they have no problem basically selling you one at cost, or even a loss, because without those sales they would have no money to produce anything at all.  People who donate early get a nice discount on the product, and know they helped out, where the company itself gets to help early adopters and actually make their product a reality.

The idea that the publisher, who is making the dude pay upfront for the book to be produced, can't spare 100 copies, or even 100 ebook copies, to Allow The Book To Be Sold At All So Everyone Benefits is kind of shady.
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2012, 06:42:41 AM »

It's not "I should get a discount because I'm an early adopter", it's "I want this to happen so I'm putting money towards it."

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