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[battlerager]

Crystal Castles is a good one for you ZX Spectrum lovers.

Seems like they pulled a timbaland though 

[Marmaduke Slam]

I don't see them lifting samples a reason not to listen to Crystal Castles tbh. I mean, you may or may not agree with what they're doing but it shouldn't change the music.

Then again, you may just boycott them for the satisfaction.

[jstckr]

Oh yeah, I never mentioned Lullatone! Check them out if you like sweet, sweet melodies, xylophones, sine waves and/or childhood and don't mind your eyes looking like a n_n emote.

[policedanceclub]

World's End Girlfriend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtNntFUcar0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNqu6g_uFOI


Absolutely brilliant stuff.

[Jad]

jstckr: Hello good sir 

A vibraphone is sadly not a xylophone, and is indeed what is used here.

On another note, this stuff is awesome, great and soothing and my goal in life is to achieve the awesome n_n

Thanks.

[Pita]

Lullatone is easily my favourite band of the moment and I was lucky enough to see them perform back during their 'ZZZ in OZ & NZ' tour! It was spell-bounding. Everyone was left grinning ear-to-ear and full of vitality. Seriously, it was magical and the good feelings were contagious.

I wear my raindrops = music badge everywhere.

[battlerager]

I don't see them lifting samples a reason not to listen to Crystal Castles tbh. I mean, you may or may not agree with what they're doing but it shouldn't change the music.

Then again, you may just boycott them for the satisfaction.

Yes, it doesn't change the music, and it's totally okay to like and enjoy that music.

Its just that I (and lots of other people, I guess) have problems supporting unlikeable people, and this makes them unlikeable to me. If you enjoy the music, that's totally fine. 

[jstckr]

jstckr: Hello good sir 

A vibraphone is sadly not a xylophone, and is indeed what is used here.

On another note, this stuff is awesome, great and soothing and my goal in life is to achieve the awesome n_n

Thanks.

Yeah, they use all of those percussion instruments - metallophones, xylophones, marimbas, vibraphones. But hey, if you like xylophones, you will like metallophones and vibraphones, too!
Glad to see others like them as well, by the way!

[Bennett]

Its just that I (and lots of other people, I guess) have problems supporting unlikeable people, and this makes them unlikeable to me. If you enjoy the music, that's totally fine. 

They sampled some CC-licensed chiptunes for their demos, which were never released. Which means they didn't violate the CC license. I'm not sure I see what the problem is.

In any case, the truth of the matter is that every pop or electronic musician uses samples these days. Sometimes it gets noticed, in which case they have to pay a royalty. And most of the time it doesn't get noticed. If that makes a musician unlikeable to you, then you're going to have trouble tracking down musicians you can like. Stick to folk music and classical, I guess?

[Gnarf]

Kvelertak

(like totally got an owl and everything)

[jute]

They sampled some CC-licensed chiptunes for their demos, which were never released. Which means they didn't violate the CC license. I'm not sure I see what the problem is.

In any case, the truth of the matter is that every pop or electronic musician uses samples these days. Sometimes it gets noticed, in which case they have to pay a royalty. And most of the time it doesn't get noticed. If that makes a musician unlikeable to you, then you're going to have trouble tracking down musicians you can like. Stick to folk music and classical, I guess?

As far as I know, they were "released" in the sense that the band posted them on their myspace, but I'm not sure if that counts as a violation.  This in itself would probably be less of a problem for people if Crystal Castles had not also been using Trevor Brown's artwork without permission or compensation at the same time.  Brown's artwork is definitely not CC'ed and he was definitely pissed.

Also, I think you're using the word "sample" to refer to multiple things here.  There is "sampling" in the sense of using excerpts of another artist's finished work, as Crystal Castles are described as doing above, and this is something that not every pop or electronic musician does.  Many of these musicians, on the other hand, do use "samples" in the sense of recordings of a single snare drum hit, a single piano note, etc. which they arrange and sequence, but this is clearly not the same thing at all.  These samples are often derived from audio libraries created for this express purpose.

(Though there can be overlap in categories: Nine Inch Nails' "Closer" samples, as in uses an excerpt from a finished piece, its kick and snare from Iggy Pop's "Nightclubbing", but it then uses those excerpts as samples, in the sense of single hits to be arranged, to create a rhythm that is not present in the Iggy Pop song.  I hope that made sense...)

[Bennett]

As far as I know, they were "released" in the sense that the band posted them on their myspace, but I'm not sure if that counts as a violation.  This in itself would probably be less of a problem for people if Crystal Castles had not also been using Trevor Brown's artwork without permission or compensation at the same time.  Brown's artwork is definitely not CC'ed and he was definitely pissed.

Also, I think you're using the word "sample" to refer to multiple things here.  There is "sampling" in the sense of using excerpts of another artist's finished work, as Crystal Castles are described as doing above, and this is something that not every pop or electronic musician does.  Many of these musicians, on the other hand, do use "samples" in the sense of recordings of a single snare drum hit, a single piano note, etc. which they arrange and sequence, but this is clearly not the same thing at all.  These samples are often derived from audio libraries created for this express purpose.

(Though there can be overlap in categories: Nine Inch Nails' "Closer" samples, as in uses an excerpt from a finished piece, its kick and snare from Iggy Pop's "Nightclubbing", but it then uses those excerpts as samples, in the sense of single hits to be arranged, to create a rhythm that is not present in the Iggy Pop song.  I hope that made sense...)

Looking it up, they used his image for their merchandise. I used to be in a band which used the Chanel logo without permission on their merch, so I guess I see this as a fairly minor wrongdoing, even though I agree Brown has good reason to be annoyed.

When musicians sample each other's stuff, they rarely have access to the multitrack recordings. They take the finished recording, and they take as much as they need, whether that is a piano riff, a drum hit, and so on. It is really hard to say where you cross the moral line from fair use into ripping off, and the law is not at all clear on the matter either. If Eminem didn't pay a royalty to Dido for his song about "Stan" (which he did), that would be a clear ripoff. But I felt bad for The Avalanches, who had to pay for a lot of five-second samples which hardly anyone could have identified, to the extent that it really hurt their royalties.

Music is, like games, books, or any other cultural medium, built up from recognizable parts. If you want people to like and understand your music, you have to 'copy' parts of other music, whether you do it by reproducing melodies on an instrument, copying rhythms with your drumkit, borrowing a phrase in the lyrics, or making an actual sample using a recording device. You don't want to get to a situation where you have to pay to use the word 'Baby' in the chorus, but on the other hand I think it was right that the Trashmen had to pay for their use of the Rivingtons' lyrics in 'Surfin Bird'.

[Bennett]

Actually in games we have quite an interesting situation, where we don't pay royalties for appropriations which you would certainly get sued for in music or film or books. Nintendo has never tried, but they probably could have defended the Mario jumping mechanics...

Think of how stymied the development of the medium would have been, if nobody but id software could make first-person shooters, and if nobody but Maxis could make construction games.

[battlerager]

Think of how stymied the development of the medium would have been, if nobody but id software could make first-person shooters, and if nobody but Maxis could make construction games.

Those are genres though.
There are also genres in movies and books, and it is definitely not the case that the first person to make a horror movie gained a monopoly on making horror movies.

[AuthenticKaizen]

experienced music experts in here. 

so i contribute something.

if someone here like instrumental music then i would recommend 2 great post rock bands from japan.

te'
->it must be called intelligence

from the album
"If that is what is being thought, liberated sound talks the depth of "musical" world. "
http://www.myspace.com/tejapanese


mono
->halycon (beautiful days)

from the album
"walking cloud and deep red sky, flag fluttered and the sun shined"
http://www.myspace.com/monojp