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[s0]

Is it me or did they got pressed against deadlines when working on Demon Ruins?

lost izalith is even worse. iirc the director said something along the lines that the area didn't come out the way he imagined so it was probably deadlines, yes.

i didn't appreciate the reuse of bosses as normal mobs either (in my mind bosses should be unique) but i don't have any problems with the fatty statues.

imo from should have taken the whole demon ruins/lost izalith complex out of the retail version, take extra time to polish it and release it as dlc. they apparently did the same with oolacile and that's one of the best areas in the game with some of the best bosses now. but that probably wasn't their call to make so yeah.

[TeeGee]

Yeah, I also thought the round statue guys looked kind of dumb. I didn't find anything else in the area jarring though, maybe because I was too busy trying to not get myself killed at the time to critique the game's aesthetic quality.

I don't only mean aesthetics, though. Most locations in the game have really interesting challenges and creative mixups of enemies and terrain hazards. Each room is very well thought, allows for different strategies and tricks, and is a mini-puzzle of its own. Here, it looks like something a kid made in a level editor. Former bosses just spammed around en masse. It sure adds some gameplay time, but it's the cheapest way possible.

lost izalith is even worse. iirc the director said something along the lines that the area didn't come out the way he imagined so it was probably deadlines, yes.
imo from should have taken the whole demon ruins/lost izalith complex out of the retail version, take extra time to polish it and release it as dlc. they apparently did the same with oolacile and that's one of the best areas in the game with some of the best bosses now. but that probably wasn't their call to make so yeah.

Interesting. Probably removing these areas last minute would be more troublesome than just filling them with some placeholder enemies and hoping it'll pass. It's not like it's unplayable, after all. It stands out mainly because the rest of the game is so tightly designed. Bosses were cool, though. Centipede Demon is properly disgusting.

[s0]

just wait till you get to bed of chaos aka dragon god 2: megadum edition

[Ben_Hurr]

Bed of Chaos was really disappointing to me because of all the build up around it, I was half expecting to crawl down to the bottom-most dungeons of lost Izalith and encounter something like this:


ONLY ON FIRE


But what I get is a droopy tree with a bug inside.
At least it's on fire for part of the fight, hoho

[s0]

i thought it was disappointing because its a terrible fucking boss fight lol.

i actually like the enemy designs in izalith. the bounding demons look freaking bizarre and those things with the many eyes are one of the creepiest enemies in the game. the suction noises they make when they walk are so unnerving

[SundownKid]

Yeah, it's true that Lost Izalith reeks of shortcuts, which is a shame because it had the potential to be an epic area. Unfortunately, many of the enemies are re-used (Taurus, Capra, Dragon Zombie, Demon Firemage) and the boss fight is down to blind luck rather than skill, forcing you into 1 hit kill cheap deaths. The gargoyle statues just float around without moving, FFS.

[Ben_Hurr]

i thought it was disappointing because its a terrible fucking boss fight lol.

i actually like the enemy designs in izalith. the bounding demons look freaking bizarre and those things with the many eyes are one of the creepiest enemies in the game. the suction noises they make when they walk are so unnerving

Oh that's a given, it sucked horribly.  I figured out the best strategy for the orbs was to run straight into its swinging hands and suck up a hit; because at least that way it doesnt force you into a hole.  That's all kinds of dum in a game where you spend most of your time blocking/evading.


Tube monster looked too much like they couldn't think of a proper monster design for me to enjoy fighting it. ):

[ink.inc]

i skipped 99 percent of that shithole with the fair lady's shortcut and was rewarded with a bed of chaos for my troubles

[s0]

huh? no, the orbs are easy. the bad part is the final jump which as far as i'm concerned is almost pure luck. (if anyone has discovered a strategy that works please tell me i'd love to know)

[Tumetsu]

Apparently there is ledge which is slightly further than others. When you walk down from it you drop to the root. Whole strategy is to stand near big root in left, wait till BoC swipes and run to that ledge and slow down to walk. After I learned that it was much easier than blind leap of faith.

[Raptor85]

huh? no, the orbs are easy. the bad part is the final jump which as far as i'm concerned is almost pure luck. (if anyone has discovered a strategy that works please tell me i'd love to know)

bed does the arm sweeps only when you're in range, from the middle front go towards it so it sweeps then back off just out of range, right as the second arm is about to pass you start to dash forward, run, and roll onto the middle log (dont jump, just roll), works every time. if you mistime it though you'll get at least knocked to the side, luckily the log you're rolling to is decently sized so even if you're a little off you generally still make it.  All you have to worry about then is getting hit with a fire tempest while working your way through the roots inside, basicly just roll roll roll and dont stop rolling until you're in the middle.  If you roll from the middle you will ALWAYS land on the platform though, so even if coming from one of the sides after the orb you want to make your way back to the center of the room before jumping in.

I realized something my last time i was down in there too...dunno why i didn't think to try it before...but the two orbs....you can just snipe them with a bow from the middle and not have to deal with the crumbly floor at all, after the first arm is out you have to be on your toes as it takes a few shots to break the branches covering it first, but it's a super easy way to kill bed.

[s0]

thanks! will try next playthrough.

[Ben_Hurr]

So I just killed my first low-level grief-faggot today.

That was nice.
The guy was in standard thief gear with bandit knife, but I knew something was up when my R1 swings only did 20 damage, and a parry only did 1/6th of his health bar.  

However, he sucked so criminally bad.
He kept trying to ineffectually get some bleed going through my shield, and when he started running out of hp he turtled up completely.  ...so I destroyed him with a single two-handed R2 with a shortsword. 

[AshfordPride]

The fucking princess isn't real.  She's not real.  I mean, I kind of figured that something was up, but...  No man...  Come on...  I really thought that she was the one thing in this world that wasn't going to turn on me or fucking die.

[Nillo]

The fucking princess isn't real.  She's not real.  I mean, I kind of figured that something was up, but...  No man...  Come on...  I really thought that she was the one thing in this world that wasn't going to turn on me or fucking die.

How'd you find out she was an illusion if you didn't try to kill her?

(also does anyone who cares about spoilers even read this thread?)

[Dragonmaw]

Gwynevere never existed. She is an illusion by Gwyndolin, created because Gwyndolin was a man raised to be a woman. Not only that, but taking her out also removes most of the enemies, meaning that most of Anor Londo is also illusion.

[s0]

Gwynevere never existed.

wrog

"The Princess of Sunlight Gwynevere left Anor Londo along many other deities, and later became wife to Flame God Flann."- Ring of the Sun Princess description

[Dragonmaw]

I could've sworn I read that Gwyndolin was an only child. Guess I'm just a DINGUS

[s0]

i like how the whole "chosen undead" thing is pretty much a hoax and how becoming "lord gwyn's successor" means you're spedning the rest of your life burning in a kiln.

[AshfordPride]

Oh no, I went at her.  My friend told me that there's nothing else to do with her now and just go for it.

I didn't expect that my one fucking comfort in this world, Anor Londo, would be ripped away from me.  It really was another one of the times that the game really ripped the rug out from under me.