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« Reply #60 on: July 06, 2012, 05:20:32 PM » |
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I have a hard time seeing how someone with protection at night could be a citizen, as they become immune to the way rebels are supposed to win: Night kills
Although it's not entirely unreasonable.
I'll let this argument continue before I cast my judgment.
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« Reply #61 on: July 06, 2012, 05:26:30 PM » |
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If I were a rebel, why would Garthy claim he 'saw' me as an innocent?
Further, direct quotations are illegal per the rules of INANI. Garthy skirts this (with a lack of cleverness) by posting fake transcripts of our conversation. The fact that he survives despite what would otherwise be an obvious violation is only further proof that he is lying.
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« Reply #62 on: July 06, 2012, 05:48:51 PM » |
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While Garthy has said very much, I can't help but feel that he might be hiding behind eloquence.
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« Reply #63 on: July 06, 2012, 05:49:09 PM » |
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(OOC: SirNiko: I believe that stating the same text that I have already used, and repeating what I have been told, is within the rules. The quoting rule, if I understand it correctly, is on quote boxes and doing things such as quoting the GM (ie. passing on full messages, etc), things that could actually disrupt the game. I could have gone through the message and paraphrased the whole thing to be pedantic/thorough about the rule if I felt there was a clash. However, I do not feel this was the case. However, one thing I will state is that it is very clear by the rules that you can say things privately, and then reveal them publicly. Personally, I'd like to avoid metagaming by arguing about the rules. If Inanimate feels that any action I have taken is against any rule, he will no doubt tell me and there may be consequences. Until that happens, kindly refrain from claims of rule breaches, particularly as part of a public strategy. That is seriously uncool. Thankyou.)
As for why I saw SirNiko as innocent (specifically: "Loyal Citizen")? That's because that's exactly what my ability told me. It could be due to the exact ability you claim, or perhaps you are simply immune to my ability. Or, my ability might actually be rubbish. I don't know. I even stated this to you, and shared this information in my long message. And in any case, if I am getting incorrect answers, how am I supposed to know the reasons behind it?
I didn't even consider the most likely reason for the (probably, now, incorrect) result to be due to such an immunity until your subsequent actions painted you in a bad light. As I have said to you, and now shared with the public, I had (initially) thought that perhaps you were just wrong about the scope of your ability.
I would also just like to point out that nobody should assume that what SirNiko is saying about his ability is true. The reverse could very well be true. He may just be immune to me.
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« Reply #64 on: July 06, 2012, 05:53:57 PM » |
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Tanner, I understand. My namesake in another life turned out to be one of the villains. Still, ask yourself how this particular event started, and consider what I have said. Also, ask yourself that even though this has played out in a means outside of my control (which is telling in itself), what my strategy would have been. Whilst a claim of "there is no reason for me to do this" is not proof, I would hope it is telling at least.
Please reconsider your vote.
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« Reply #65 on: July 06, 2012, 06:58:56 PM » |
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Unless I am mistaken, that's three votes for me (SirNiko, Glyph, Tanner), and one vote for SirNiko (me). SirNiko has the deciding vote, so unless three more votes go to SirNiko, or four votes to anyone else, I am finished this evening.
A public note to people I spoke to in private- I had trusted SirNiko and shared most of what I had been told with him. You need to assume that anything you have told me may have made its way into his hands, and from there, to his allies. I didn't pass on everything, but I did pass on most things. I am sorry. As far as I knew, I thought I could trust SirNiko. If you want any information on specifics, just send me a message. Under the circumstances, doing so before day's end would probably be wise.
If I'm killed, at the very least, watch where the votes are going. Watch how fast a unified consensus is forming, and ask yourself: "Why"?
I'm sure I can be forgiven for trusting the results of my own ability, or failing that, hitting a set of circumstances that have a low likelihood of actually occurring.
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« Reply #66 on: July 06, 2012, 07:05:20 PM » |
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Well, I'm new in town and don't know anyone. No one has attempted communication, so I can only pass judgement based on what others say. All I know is that I'm innocent, and am hoping that INANI protects me and fellow townfolk see my innocence. The only thing I do question is Landshark RAWR. They speak like a walking lump of silicon, and unlike us fleshpeople, the silicon can be hacked. While Landshark RAWR might have been hacked and forced to kill someone, I can't pass judgement on them if this happened. (OOC:  )
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« Reply #67 on: July 06, 2012, 07:15:50 PM » |
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You've convinced me, Garthy. I rescind my vote for Garthy, but I don't know if it will do much. I don't want to have the blood of an innocent, much less an ORA, on my hands, so I don't think I'm going to vote for someone else just yet.
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« Reply #68 on: July 06, 2012, 07:21:09 PM » |
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Garthy, I have asked myself "Why?"
That's sort of my job, like the job of every other citizen. We have to think this through. I've thought this through, and my decision rests on you. And, I stated my reasons clearly enough, but I'll say them again to be clear.
First things first, I said that the likelihood of you using your ability on SirNiko was low because it is. There were eleven marks for you to choose from last night, so the actual likelihood is one-eleventh. Not to actually incriminate you with this, but the likelihood would be lower if you were a member of Freedom's Road who knew your allies.
Furthermore, you're proposing a large variety of circumstances, and giving labeling them 'most likely', 'second most likely', etc. But to me, the most likely situation is that you're lying. If you look at the evidence, you should agree with me that it's the right decision to come by. Not that you'd ever actually agree with me aloud, but I wasn't expecting you to. You can write paragraph after paragraph, but it won't change the things which have actually transpired, it just serves to dilute them.
I'm not saying that SirNiko is without fault. He is suspicious, too, but not as much as you. I'm not in cahoots with him, and don't know why you're trying to cast blame on me. I have done nothing except for state my opinions and bring up reasons for them. But... whatever. It's up to the people to decide who's innocent or guilty here, and I'm only one of them. It's not like I completely believe you're guilty, or that SirNiko isn't, it's just that it's very likely. May INANI guide us!
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« Reply #69 on: July 06, 2012, 07:36:15 PM » |
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Glyph, the likelihood of using my ability on any one citizen is one in eleven. That doesn't mean that, whoever I picked, that it is unlikely that I actually picked them! That is absurd. You can drive a truck through that logic.
And whilst irrelevant, you are assuming I picked randomly. I did not. I picked up what I thought was a specific tell on SirNiko's part that would make him a fellow agent. I told him that too. I wanted an ally.
I believe that you have decided the outcome your want, and you are trying to piece together the reasons for the outcome in any way you can. You seem to be glossing over the obvious and settling on things that validate your claim. This is why I am also very suspicious of you as well. This is why I would urge everyone to keep a close eye on you, Glyph, when this night is done.
I also do not intend to be left sitting back, defending myself, as you try to make me the guilty part here, as the two of you sling accusations and half-truths my way.
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« Reply #70 on: July 06, 2012, 07:47:08 PM » |
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It's 1/11 that you chose SirNiko. It was a 9% chance. Then he contacted you, meaning that only 9% of the time would you have the information you claim to have. That's what makes it unlikely, that's all. Like I've said before, I'm not incriminating you for this. It's just that we have to vote for someone, and you're the most likely. If you want to make this into a You VS SirNiko thing, then I guess SirNiko's won by being the most likely to be telling the truth. If you had identified him after contact, then it's more likely that you're telling the truth.
And yes, I have decided who I think is guilty, that's why I voted for you. It's because you're currently the most likely to be lying. That's all there is, and no more. I guess I've gotten a bit too involved in all this; I probably should have just said "Garthy". But I'd rather not have my words turned against me. You say you're defending yourself, but you're blatantly attacking me. I've already voted for you and won't change my mind unless something happens. That's all.
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« Reply #71 on: July 06, 2012, 07:48:10 PM » |
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Dear friends, This whole theatre has brought my curiosity. I can tell that Garthy has brought himself quite the attention he might not need at this moment. You see, he also contacted me. I have reasons to suspect him of a traitor and a vandal, but I would prefer right now to keep my possible allies close and my possible enemies even closer. We can't afford to lose many ORA agents in this district. The smallest mistake can completely hamper INANI's vision for this town. For the sake of being th devil's advocate, my vote goes towards SirNiko. I have an important revelation to you all. You see, it was I who killed crowe.INANI granted me administrator access yesterday to the security systems each citizen residence holds, under the . Unlike what I originally stated, there was no lunatic performing this specific act. Alas, I was requested to verify that my permissions had been set up correctly and unfortunately needed a voluntary. I gave enough warning to crowe last night that this would happen, and he valiantly accepted. My only specific reasoning for choosing him was what I have said before - the reenactment of a recurring motif in a given series of unrelated crime stories I have enjoyed in my childhood. Do not attempt to see this act with insolence. I have sworn loyalty to INANI and its utopia terraforming processing agents. While the execution of an inocent might have transpired, it was done with no pride, regardless of my reenactments. It is my duty to serve INANI above anyone else. Before I close this public memo, I want the people to also draw your attention to Autothysis, who privately requested me of some rebel to report. I have my suspicion he is indeed a fellow agent, but I would rather proceed with putting all the cards into the table for the benefit of our city. Sincerely, Alevice < [email protected]> Certified User #7cad1b2d8444f1c3f9fb55bf41a6b8b8 Passkey: c5dd26a85c1617e2717180a6fe6bf2e71afa3c53 ((OOC: I will be outta town for the weekend. if i at the noose, better my dead be awesome and epic))
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« Reply #72 on: July 06, 2012, 07:50:54 PM » |
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« Reply #73 on: July 06, 2012, 07:51:09 PM » |
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Glyph: I see. You say "Then he contacted you". No, I contacted him first. It was one of the first things I did when I got my result.
I am interested in knowing why you think he contacted me first. This is not an accusation. I'd like to know where this came from.
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« Reply #74 on: July 06, 2012, 08:06:33 PM » |
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Alevice, if what you say is true, then there are now two viable targets for Freedom's Road. A potential guardian now has to choose between two people to protect. It would be even odds that one of us will now die. If you speak the truth, and you believe me (which would on the surface appear to be the case since you voted for SirNiko), you've just taken an action that puts me (as claimed semi-Seer) at risk, as well as yourself (as an agent with a useful ability) in danger. If you are an agent, you have made a bad move. If you are an enemy, you have made a good move. If you're genuinely the former, you've just made a really, really bad mistake. There was no reason to expose yourself! If you're the latter, I'm guessing that your vote might change at the last minute, but only if necessary.
I seem to be running out of potential allies fast. I seem to be getting hit on several fronts.
I am now specifically asking everyone, if you think I am telling the truth, to pour votes onto SirNiko specifically. Otherwise, I'm dead. If I am wrong, all blame goes to me. If I am lying, you can kill me the following night.
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