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[Tokinsom]

Corrected.

[J-Snake]

DayZ comes to mind.

[s_l_m]

Great. More fucking zombies.  

Great. The Walking Dead: The Video Game. Without walkers zombies.

I'm not a huge zombie fan either, but hopefully this game will turn out alright. It would really help validate the platform if it did

[Radix]

I wonder why the hell you need 4 million dollars to connect a tablet to a TV and a gamepad, but oh well...
I also don't think $4 are required to develop the GUI for this console(they don't develop the OS, right?).

As CEO of Tiswaz Entertainent, Kevin Dent, told us:

"It's not going to ship. It's just not going to ship. It just costs too much to develop this. $4 million is nothing. They've got to pay fabrication. They've got to pay designers. They've got to pay manufacturers. They've got to market it. It's a business. $4 million is nothing."

[Nix]

Hey that's what I said

[Dragonmaw]

zombie games

[Graham-]

That startup sound is awful.

[deathtotheweird]

Hey that's what I said

that's pretty much what everyone who isn't fucking stupid said.

[Garthy]

Raspberry Pi

[Radix]

-has a completely different model and doesn't need to support marketing, to foster a worthwhile library, or have any level of commercial success at all, really, since they're filling a legitimate need and not trying to horn in on a crowded gazillion-dollar market using nothing but hype and pocket change and suspicious namedropping. If that's all it took then EA or Activision could be launching 50 successful consoles for the cost of one big AAA campaign.

Honestly though, the raspberry pi is more an example of what I've been thinking all along that the ouya should really be: a specialised, minimalist implementation of a successful games platform (either a mini box or better yet a low-latency media networking thing that sells convenience) that can piggyback on an existing library that would actually be worth getting up on your TV.
Then use Kickstarter to essentially take orders for your initial production run (like believable electronic projects do) and sell it either as a kit or optionally an assembled unit for an additional cost. Don't fuck around with controllers, just have USB ports and let the optimal solution sort itself out as your userbase grows sensibly, and resell that later. If you really want to pack something in then partner with someone who does that shit for a living like madcatz or whatever, because for reals some of those Chinese generic controllers cost nothing.

[Graham-]

Windows: motivation for Linux.

Ouya: motivation for Pi-Box? Failures matter.

[eld]

Don't fuck around with controllers, just have USB ports and let the optimal solution sort itself out as your userbase grows sensibly, and resell that later. If you really want to pack something in then partner with someone who does that shit for a living like madcatz or whatever, because for reals some of those Chinese generic controllers cost nothing.

The hardware default includes controllers, and the default controller is what makes a console.

We know every pc will come with a mouse and keyboard, and thus these are the defaults for this platform, we know the consoles comes with a gamepad and so games can be made for this.

We don't make gamepad games for the iphones because someone might be using a bluetooth one, we make games for the default input, the touchscreen.


Not including a gamepad by default would be the doom for a console, you can't fix yourself out of a situation like that.

[phubans]

XBox 360 Controller for Windows = $40
HDMI Cable = $10

Gaming from PC to TV = $50


Problem?

[Radix]

Did you just read that one paragraph and skip the rest of the post?

Edit:
To be clear, what I'm saying is they should be giving people what they actually want and not trying to compete with the big boys using the classic console model, which is retarded. When your pitch is "it's hard to play PC games through your TV!" then maybe the demand isn't for a yet another crappy console to pile on the already-overflowing graveyard of failed consoles, it's for making it easy to play PC games through your TV.

Your PC, you know, that thing you already own which can blow off-the-shelf mobile components out of the water, which already has the biggest library of any games system, which for the last few years has had a disproportionate number of console ports which would work just fine on a controller & couch (and it'd be trivial to set up an integrated joy-to-key solution for other things, and shit, you could use your actual xbox controllers), and for which digital distribution platforms are already in place.

If you want to get your optimistic indie chubbies up for something, consider how huge the market could be for that and how easy it would be to develop for (I mean, specifically, and they'd still be playable on PC. But imagine how great it would be to be able to make hotseat PC games again!). And how basically failure-proof it would be since that's almost definitely how things are headed anyway, so even if one of these failed your shit would work just fine on the next one, since it's really running on your PC.

That's the best thing if you're willing to have a PC in your living room as a media box or whatever, but nobody really wants to do that apparently.

[inkBot]

XBox 360 Controller for Windows = $40
HDMI Cable = $10

Gaming from PC to TV = $50


Problem?

This has already been covered. Connecting a pc to a tv might not be very difficult anymore, but it's still less convenient than a console. If the computer is a desktop computer, chances are it's not in the same room as the tv. If it's a laptop you'll have to plug it in and set up the screen (though maybe not if your laptop/tv can save settings for it) each and every time you want to game. A console is 'meant' to be constantly plugged into the tv, a computer not so much.

[eld]

Did you just read that one paragraph and skip the rest of the post?

I did read it, it's the part where even though the controller is not what makes a console, it decides how it is played, a console with no controller at all will not suddenly try to make itself into a console via the community.

The thing has to ship with all it needs to start with and when it is, it's set in stone.

When it comes to how a console should be launched they're doing things right, they're working hard on the controller as it will be what defines the console. Whatever they're saying they're not competing with the big consoles, and they don't have to, but they need a controller no matter if pc gamers might want a keyboard and mouse.

[Garthy]

Not including a gamepad by default would be the doom for a console, you can't fix yourself out of a situation like that.

Exactly. The default hardware included in the purchase (eg. controller) defines the target for console developers- because the developers know that everybody with that console has a controller with this spec at least.

Personally I think they're going to run into a conflict between the cheap package price ($99) and their desire to include a top-end controller. I think they'll solve it by producing a cheap version of the controller to include in the base package with the same specs (eg. number of buttons and control type), with dirt-cheap components, and produce their "Stradivarius of controllers" (see the Kickstarter page) as a separate device. Either could be farmed off to someone else who can stamp "Ouya" on it if they wanted.

[Radix]

no matter if pc gamers might want a keyboard and mouse.

Nobody wants a keyboard and mouse in front of a television, you strawman fucking idiot. Considering that practically all current gamepads, generic or otherwise, are based around either playstation or xbox controllers which are nearly functionally identical anyway, there is no reason not to take advantage of them in the case of a hypothetical PC-based intermediary product. Particularly since people frequently already own a bunch of them you'd be lowering the cost of entry even further. Supporting bindable keys on a "console" is fucking ~crazy talk~, I know.

I did read it

Then I guess you missed the point which was using a realistic model with limited production runs and taking advantage of an existing library, something that's practically incompatible with the standard idea of building a new library around a controller. So pretty much the whole post.

[Garthy]

Try to listen more than running your mouth. You might learn something.

that's pretty much what everyone who isn't fucking stupid said.

you strawman fucking idiot

Stay classy, lads. Stay classy.

[eyeliner]

Radix needs a chill pill. Damn, i can't understand how he can be so pumped up over this garbage. I don't have high hopes over it myself, but if there's people willing to fork the cash for a tabl--- hm... console that is neither, well, let them go at it.

It might succeed after all, but I think the device is not that special. Might as well stick Linux in it and probably all this bullshit wouldn't happen. I'd still build a decent mini-pc, though. Sure, more expensive, but it would leave this miles away anyway.

Also, I'm positive early in the process someone will make a hack that will allow PCs to connect to the service. It's just Android in a box anyway. So, I wait for the day that there will be a VM with OUYA's image.