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« Reply #195 on: July 14, 2012, 09:27:29 PM »

Rugged individualists you are, most of you ignored the issue of market appeal. Doesn't matter how many developers get on board, because that alone can, at best, lead to a benevolent circlejerk ala the Game Park scene (or numerous console hacking scenes). Playing boatloads of ports & a couple original games is cool and all, but the Ouya guys seem to be pushing for mainstream success.

Just not seeing Joe Gamer impulse buying a new machine that, for his purposes, does nothing his favorite console doesn't. Another danger is it becoming the wrong kind of mainstream success, with existing Android devs carrying over their cloning operations from the smartphone market (this is why the hardware & software's proximity to phones & tablets is a legitimate concern), thus providing a high-end experience for shitty derivative casual games. I mean, these guys are so prolific that they'd choke out the platform.

What would be fantastic is if the machine caught on with all the demographics: vocational devs, cashmoney devs, hardcore gamers, and casual gamers. We'd have a massive console civil war.

One reason I'm not enthused is because the dev experience on Android is shite, whether or not it succeeds. It's unlikely to succeed. Learn from the examples of Phantom, DISCover, Gizmondo, and Pandora. Listen to Podunkian. If it comes out, it probably won't catch on, and it'll almost surely be flaky & more expensive than $100. If it turns out averaging just a tiny bit more than $100 per console in total expenditures for Ouya, bang, you just blew a Benjamin on someone's dream.


I've seen the statements here about the graphics hardware not being on par with modern standards.  The Wii has the weakest processing hardware of any home console this generation, far inferior to that of the Xbox 360 or the PlayStation 3.  Yet, the Wii has become the highest selling home console of the seventh generation.

The Wii's success is thanks to
A) loyal fan[boy]s carried over from previous generations, while Ouya is a new name
B) casual appeal, while Ouya presently only appeals to gamers so hardcore they reject 'hardcore' as a phallic rape culture tool of disempowerment


Not sure why everyone keeps pointing to its soon to be lower end hardware. The thing isn't being designed for shiny HD AAA titles, which I take as somewhat of a plus. Hardware limitations (at least in graphics) will hopefully allow devs to focus on things like gameplay more and not burn themselves out spending however many millions on a game only to have the company fold.

A lack of processing power isn't a plus by any concievable stretch. For any given game project, more optimization work is required if lower-end hardware is the target, or the target is so weak the concept itself needs to be dumbed down (gameplay is just as constrained by hardware). Look at XBLA and XBLI games. Barely any, successful or otherwise, try to max out the graphics hardware. On Ouya, that same apathy would lead to much uglier games, with more narrow appeal.

That said, the hardware's not bad at all for a hypothetical $100.
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« Reply #196 on: July 14, 2012, 11:00:13 PM »

Then again, there is this prophecy that has been passed down through generations about the one kickstarter project that'll show that kickstarter is a big fraud, everyone is constantly crossing their fingers everytime there is a new successful project.

That is the big worry, isn't it. But I seriously doubt it will happen in this case. There are just too many high-profile names attached to this project, and the company developing it. These are visible individuals, with a history of working within the game development industry in high-profile positions. If the Ouya turned out to be a scam, their reputations within the video game industry would be ruined.

Well, that was my point there.

If your goal is to run off with the money you don't post your information on feature yourself in a video.

People keep listing failed big hyped consoles but forget to list the hundreds of tiny plug & play boxes or DIY consoles out there, or the hundreds of chinese handheld ripoffs, or the thousands of laptops that gets made all the time. These are hardware built using existing chipsets and hardware.

The Ouya can succeed as hardware because the hardware is already there and cheap, the software and platform will be a whole other story.

Should every amateur game-designer that wants to do an mmo be the example that someone as an indie-developer can't make a game without a full team of developers?
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« Reply #197 on: July 14, 2012, 11:55:38 PM »

So, this is tegra 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBl-goBrWno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U2r3yKg0Ng&feature=relmfu

Its basically Wii level graphics. You could theoretically emulate PS2 decently on that thing, allegedly. Its not awful, but forget about hardcore gamers; no current gen stuff on it (i mean, no xbox360 or ps3 level stuff, processing-power wise).

Also, has anyone noticed how several of the showcase titles of tegra 3 are made on Unity 3d (Shadowgun, Bladeslinger)?

I think it might end up being up to indie developers to make it a console worth purchasing, though that will depend on monetization schemes heavily. Considering the state of the android market and how rampant piracy is on there, i fear microtransactions and multiplayer / social games might be the only incentive for a dev to put their games on the Ouya.

Maybe if its easy adapting and porting/exporting a game to it, i mean, a game meant for android cell phones / tablets, it could be a good idea for devs to place their game on this gadget as well hassle free.

Even if it succeeds, it will be an odd duck of a gaming system.
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« Reply #198 on: July 15, 2012, 12:42:40 AM »

I've seen the statements here about the graphics hardware not being on par with modern standards.  The Wii has the weakest processing hardware of any home console this generation, far inferior to that of the Xbox 360 or the PlayStation 3.  Yet, the Wii has become the highest selling home console of the seventh generation.

The Wii's success is thanks to
A) loyal fan[boy]s carried over from previous generations, while Ouya is a new name
B) casual appeal, while Ouya presently only appeals to gamers so hardcore they reject 'hardcore' as a phallic rape culture tool of disempowerment
Not sure why everyone keeps pointing to its soon to be lower end hardware. The thing isn't being designed for shiny HD AAA titles, which I take as somewhat of a plus. Hardware limitations (at least in graphics) will hopefully allow devs to focus on things like gameplay more and not burn themselves out spending however many millions on a game only to have the company fold.
Also the Wii was the first serious attempt to bring motion controls to the mass market and was hugely hyped because of that. Also they had exclusives at launch and a fairly large list of interesting upcoming titles. Right now the Ouya has the promise of playing a bunch of phone games on your TV with everything else being up in the air.
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« Reply #199 on: July 15, 2012, 02:35:04 AM »

Previously the appeal of a console was much more bang for your buck with hardware. A PS3 offers higher graphics quality than you would have been able to get for a similar price with a custom built PC. With the cost of graphics hardware going through the floor, though, there really isn't a good reason to have a separate gaming console. The "next-gen" isn't bigger and better consoles. It's a tighter gaming experience on the PC. Imagine Steam with an interface designed for a controller and TV.
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« Reply #200 on: July 15, 2012, 02:51:57 AM »

All the people questioning whether it can be made are missing the important fact that even if it fulfills all its promises, it will still be a shoddy Android Phone attached to your TV. I can't wait to play words with friends on a ps2 controller
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« Reply #201 on: July 15, 2012, 03:15:43 AM »

Well, this thread is going nowhere.
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« Reply #202 on: July 15, 2012, 03:27:29 AM »

All the people questioning whether it can be made are missing the important fact that even if it fulfills all its promises, it will still be a shoddy Android Phone attached to your TV. I can't wait to play words with friends on a ps2 controller
Dude you haven't played Angry Birds until you've played it on a 80 inch HD TV
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« Reply #203 on: July 15, 2012, 04:13:49 AM »

Well, this thread is going nowhere.

South is a perfectly valid direction!
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« Reply #204 on: July 15, 2012, 04:30:45 AM »

All the people questioning whether it can be made are missing the important fact that even if it fulfills all its promises, it will still be a shoddy Android Phone attached to your TV. I can't wait to play words with friends on a ps2 controller
A Tegra3 isn't exactly "shoddy".

It might be interesting to see what Zynga (or one of their competitors) comes up with to utilize the GPU.

A 3D pixel-shaded angry birds-esque game might be cool.. (note to self)

Personally, I'll be happy just to be able to write an Android game that can use a real gamepad.
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« Reply #205 on: July 15, 2012, 05:26:30 AM »

I'm a nub with hardware, what will this Ouya be capable of? Will it be able to handle games like Spelunky XBLA and Fez, or this just a glorified tablet?
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« Reply #206 on: July 15, 2012, 05:54:52 AM »

Spelunky and fez are hardly the most intensive applications
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« Reply #207 on: July 15, 2012, 06:01:02 AM »

Well, we don't know what it will be able to do outright, but the Tegra 3's a pretty good choice for a chip. It's not that powerful, but it should be enough for indie game devs.

And I agree with eld and inkbot. This thread seriously isn't going anywhere, and there's no point in having it open to debate with people about existential hardware. Whatever people want to add has been said before, and there's no new information and won't be any for months. I'll lock it until more information surfaces about the product or after the Kick Starter ends.
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« Reply #208 on: July 16, 2012, 07:10:37 AM »


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Okay, so someone wanted this thread re-opened to say something. So everyone can have at it and discuss the OUYA. I probably won't lock it / delete it, unless it seriously gets bad (i.e. threatening someone or something like that). Tongue


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« Reply #209 on: July 16, 2012, 07:45:12 AM »

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