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[st33d]

It takes a small mind to motivated by death alone.

Try finding a purpose.

[PompiPompi]

99.9999% of the people on this planet are selfish and greedy. I don't buy this morality bullshit.
The rich are greedy, the poor are greedy, westren countries are greedy, 3rd world counrties are greedy.
Everyone are greedy.
So I don't really give a ffff about future generations and past generation. That being said, I still don't want to live that long for my own reasons.
But for instance, I don't care about the envrionment and stuff like that and I am selfish.
I don't believe most people who will tell me they are selfless. Usually when someone wants to help a large group of people they have their own interests for that.
Rarely there is anyone who is selfless and want to help EVERYONE.
Helping one group on account of another(which is what most "moral" people do) is also selfish and greedy.

[AlexHW]

It takes a small mind to motivated by death alone.

Try finding a purpose.

Try finding some truth.

[PompiPompi]

Life has also it lows, you can't always have the highs. It's even boring to always have the highs.
In time, you also accmulate these lows, and I am not sure we can handle that amount of luggage.
Also, I don't know. I don't want to be happy all the time, sometimes I enjoy more being miserable, maye it's because it makes the happy moements more meaningful.
Maybe it's kind of like if you rather drink a small shot of espresso, or gulp on a big mug of coffee.
Of course it's also a matter of personal preference.

[Aquanoctis]

I'm not really getting the 'it's selfish' argument. How is it any more selfish than extending life by normal means? Hundreds of years ago, when the average human life span would have been much less than it is today, people would have thought you insane if you told them they could be living for over twice as long in the future. Surely then, that would be selfishness.
"If I live twice as long then surely I'm depriving someone else of a life" they might say.
But here we are today living twice as long, and still having children. Still bringing life into the world.

Also, on the whole 'the only motivation is death' thing: What about competition between people/groups? Trying to better your fellow human is a motivation surely? e.g. An artist may constantly strive to improve upon the works created by previous generations.

[Squid Party]

Yes but the problem is that if humans live forever and new ones are born, the world gets over crowded and things like starvation begin to occur.

[AlexHW]

Also, on the whole 'the only motivation is death' thing: What about competition between people/groups? Trying to better your fellow human is a motivation surely? e.g. An artist may constantly strive to improve upon the works created by previous generations.

I've written a book as to what Art is.. When you create art, or put any type of impression into the world for that matter- it ultimately creates an alteration to the way you feel the world thus changing how you exist. We are intrigued by the unknown aspects of our world, aspects we don't understand fully. Wherever we look, we see a detail or surface that extends somewhere, and we are intrinsically designed to trace along these patterns as we attempt to find the ends or to extend them when ends are identified (or shorten them if they somehow destroy our own sense of being). It's a lot more complicated then this obviously, but you can see the truths within it.

[Blademasterbobo]

you're an idiot

It takes a small mind to motivated by death alone.

Try finding a purpose.

Try finding some truth.

what a pretentious twat

"truth: you will die, and that is the only true motivation" what a load of shit. "i've written books!" how does this make you an authority on motivation? you're just spouting a bunch of bs that sounds philosophical to you. death is a motivation, but it's not the only one, and if i was going to live forever, why would i spend eternity metaphorically jacking off? that's fucking boring. if that's what YOU would do, then you're a fucking boring person.

[AlexHW]

I'm bored with you, lol..

[st33d]

Living forever would make you susceptible to passivity. You would quickly forget about the pursuit of greatness. It would give you a false illusion that there is time to waste.

My Grandfather died earlier this year. That's one death I live to experience, someone else's.

This is what I mean by small minded. By thinking that everything revolves around you. By not thinking that death isn't limited to just your own. There will always be death and change, if not yours then someone else's. And I think the scope of how you live your life must be pretty damn small if you insist you cannot be affected by the death of someone or something else.

[moi]

imagine the future internet where minds are transferred on computers, and the world is made of endless conversations between the simulated minds of idiots on a videogame forum.

[impulse9]

I'm not really getting the 'it's selfish' argument. How is it any more selfish than extending life by normal means?

Extending life != Immortality

death is a motivation, but it's not the only one, and if i was going to live forever, why would i spend eternity metaphorically jacking off?

a) it's not the only one but it is the ultimate one
b) you would have no choice, humans are not designed to live eternally

Also, please try not to resort to ad hominem just because you don't agree with someone. It's natural not to agree with someone, but it is really immature to try to insult them because of it.

And I think the scope of how you live your life must be pretty damn small if you insist you cannot be affected by the death of someone or something else.

You are affected by anything that happens around you. Death is a part of the world just like anything else. Trying to avoid death is like trying to avoid air. Remember that without death there can be no life. The two are interconnected.

imagine the future internet where minds are transferred on computers

I can already feel the giant wave of haters coming my way but this is impossible. Mind is not a procedural state machine.

[PompiPompi]

Yes but the problem is that if humans live forever and new ones are born, the world gets over crowded and things like starvation begin to occur.

This problem already exist today. People make 10 children in poor counries and then complain they are starving. Having a few people live forever won't matter that much.

[AlexHW]

This is what I mean by small minded. By thinking that everything revolves around you. By not thinking that death isn't limited to just your own. There will always be death and change, if not yours then someone else's. And I think the scope of how you live your life must be pretty damn small if you insist you cannot be affected by the death of someone or something else.

obviously one needs to see death to understand that they themselves will die.. so yes, you first appreciate death by realizing that others die.. THEN.. you realize you yourself will die.. and only when you come to grips with this, do you see how you are connected to everything. You can't rub off your responsibility to see yourself alone by believing that you are disconnected from the truth of everything.

[Blademasterbobo]

Yes but the problem is that if humans live forever and new ones are born, the world gets over crowded and things like starvation begin to occur.

This problem already exist today. People make 10 children in poor counries and then complain they are starving. Having a few people live forever won't matter that much.

this is such a fucking stupid thing to say I'm not even sure I know where to begin.

well let's start with the fact that population has nothing to do with that; the industrialized world wastes infinitely more resources than poor countries with high birth rates.

@alexhw you and impulse are irredeemably stupid and I'm glad that if immortality exists within our lifetimes you and him will opt out.