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[AlexHW]

..maybe humans aren't alive but are actually just some sort of evolving state that is trying to encapsulate what being alive is.. hence why we strive to feel and understand more. Like some sort of fix on a drug.
We could simply be a type of balloon or sponge that is expanding as more "life" breathes into us. A baby's perception of reality is quite different from an adults- but what is it that morphs us and changes our shape?
When and where will robots attain this, if they can?
Perhaps this "life" thing can instead attack the robot and find a home within it if the conditions are right.. like some sort of Petr-dish for bacteria to spawn..

[Danmark]

This idea is interesting and fascinating, if people want it, let them pursue it.

Agreed. If they pull it off, they'll reap what they sowed.

This implies ablation of unwanted memories and experiences. Forgetfulness is an important element of longevity in the way I conceive transcendentalism (the only passable way), it also implies re-learning and re-experiencing things.

A society of perpetual manchildren, ever seeking novel activities then erasing their memory of them to regain that sweet, sweet naivete. That's fucking crazy. BTW living forever is more than just statistically impossible- it's physically impossible for the Universe to sustain life indefinitely.

Admittedly, I'd like more than 50 more 'good' years of life. But there are only so many ways to reconcile that immortality with humanity. You can do all the living you wanted, then kill yourself. You can just keep living, no matter how unpleasant, and wait ages for an accident or entropy to take you. Or, you can shed your humanity, of which your solution is an example.

It's not the concept of immortality so much as the mentality behind it that bothers me. If folks supported it as part of some half-baked neofascist human-chauvinist power program, I could respect their ideas, crazy as they are. But most supporters are just nerds who erroneously believe they personally are valuable enough to live indefinitely, and that given an unbounded amount of time, they could make good on all their shortcomings. Egregiously selfish thinking. Among those who are 100% convinced immortality will soon be possible, it's even worse, like a delayed delusion of grandeur. "I wanna live forever!" becomes "I'm gonna live forever!".

This is just one corner of the modern rebellion against nature. Nature has a way of smacking you the fuck back down to your lowly station, which is why I'm unconvinced immortality will be developed at all, but also why I think it's not even a good idea. People need to learn some humility.

And we know this because of all those people who lived forever already and went totally cray cray.

Most elderly people DGAF about mortality. There's never been selective pressure on people to enjoy living indefinitely, so why would we be capable of it without 'assistance'? Anyway, bringing up YUO CANT KNOW!!! in a discussion on hypothetical technology is daft.

[AlexHW]

things work when you have a large mass clueless to their selves.. things grow when they are aware of their selves...
Growth appears like disintegrating pieces that are absorbing more space. The universe is growing..
When it "dies", it will do the work and be reborn.
Perhaps it is one big robot with a man inside that comes out when it need repairing. Then it climbs back in and wallah! new universe time.. let's party!

[BattleBeard]

 This is a bad idea. I believe we are inviting God (not exactly the bible god, but come on something made us) to be pretty angry, or pretty proud that we have found this.

Not like it'll work, ever. It's just impossible.

but sure, living forever sounds great as long as the system doesn't crash or we don't get errors and be like "does not compute" and our brains explode but

If you think about it, it's a BIG emulator. Emulators are meant to basically work as the system it is emulating's innards, as in the chip and all the things it does. They could just put our brains in the robot bodies, and make it so the brain doesn't feel like it's a radical change by having the robots be well, perfect emulators. I don't mean 99 percent, IT HAS to be perfect or it will not work.

Brains need bodies to work well, and these probably won't suffice. PLUS where is the cool flash on the site looks cheap looks fake it won't work just like grandpas weiner

One more thing: These robots, if immortal, well...how are you going to keep a proper law force? You could rob, whatever you want and who is going to get you? You're invincible.

But then again, you won't need food, water, or anything. Still, material objects...and would we still have souls? I doubt it, honestly...could present a problem IF people wanted to go to Heaven. Then again, it isn't you. It's just a robotic hologram that is exactly like you.

But it can never be you.

There are some aspects of the human mind that even advanced robotic engineering will NEVER emulate.

Imagination. Intuition. Wisdom. Common sense.

With these tools, humans do have a chance at still being superior over the robots! Do not let the impressiveness of this technology fool you, we were the original advanced beings, naturally. The brain "emulation" could easily be broken with the right logic, but you can never destroy the human brain with simple logic.

If you desire mankind to stay the way it is, join the human resistance. NOW.

The idea of brain-controllable robots that are SEPARATE from you are great, though! Imagine the recovery.

[sigfarter]

every time someone predicts the future they are way off, this isn't goign to happen

[BattleBeard]

for once i agree with you sigvatr

[AlexHW]

time doesn't exist.. but that's another story..

[Blademasterbobo]

battlebeard, you're a retard

[DavidCaruso]

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i think my mind just exploded at how dumb all of this was

stick to the NES chiptunes plz

A society of perpetual manchildren, ever seeking novel activities then erasing their memory of them to regain that sweet, sweet naivete.

Sounds legit. Another alternative model for predicting how awful an immortal society would look like is World of Warcraft.

[BattleBeard]

 It was more of a joke post, but I do not think this is a good idea. At least, the immortal part. I don't mind the controllable bodies.

Wait, how do you know about my NES chiptunes?

[DavidCaruso]

Yet another model for realizing how awful immortality would be is to look at the lives of rich heirs today and how they spend their lives.

Wait, how do you know about my NES chiptunes?

I'm "SriK" on the Famitracker forums (it's an abbreviation of my name.)

[Blademasterbobo]

the only problem with immortality (individually) is the boredom inherent in a long life filled with no real responsibilities, but i think we have enough going on in the world to stave that off if you have even the tiniest amount of imagination / willpower

[BattleBeard]

Yet another model for realizing how awful immortality would be is to look at the lives of rich heirs today and how they spend their lives.

Wait, how do you know about my NES chiptunes?

I'm "SriK" on the Famitracker forums (it's an abbreviation of my name.)

Oh, I know you! You should join battle of the bits, I'm sick of the forums. Full of idiots. But your music is great!

[Paul Eres]

Yet another model for realizing how awful immortality would be is to look at the lives of rich heirs today and how they spend their lives.

the quality of life would vary from person to person just as it does now. i don't think it'd be any "worse" if people lived longer: there'd still be just as many great people and just as many boring people, it's just that both of them would live longer. it's true that the boring people wouldn't be able to make much more use of their time, but imagine what the great people could do; imagine if all the great artists and musicians and scientists and philosophers of world history were all still alive today, still communicating with each other and making great things. like imagine tesla, aristotle, da vinci, and copernicus talking to one another and thinking what great thing should they make next

[eyeliner]

Let's all die!