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« Reply #75 on: March 08, 2013, 09:43:45 AM »

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And believe me, stuff said in this video is news to many people, even game developers. I'm a member of some AAA-oriented communities and the notion that maybe games could be start being more mature and eschew old flawed tropes is still something heavily questioned there.
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What I like the most about this video, is that it speaks about a difficult subject in an accessible and fairly non-confrontational way
yup. tbh i think some of the criticisms itt are pretty baseless ("she wants to force her views on others", "she wants videogames to end sexism" etc.) and seem to come more from ppl feeling uncomfortable about "feminist" shit being brought up at all than anything actually said in the video.
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« Reply #76 on: March 08, 2013, 09:52:40 AM »

There's another video I remember being posted on reddit awhile back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpodGi3y_V0

I didn't watch the Amazing Atheist one but I assume it's just as bad as this one, which spends 99.9% of it's time attacking the messenger and not the message.
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« Reply #77 on: March 08, 2013, 10:20:16 AM »

i sort of dont see whats wrong with damsels in distress

I mean, if the main character is male, who are they going to care about the most? Their romantic interest, obviously. It's poor writing but it's only as sexist as men liking women is sexist.

The problem isn't with the concept. It's with it's almost frightening over-use. I was a little shocked by the montage presented in the video. I knew this trope was a little tired, but I didn't realize how much.

And it hasn't gone away. Let's not forget the "Dom's Wife" storyline from Gears of War 2. It started off as an instance of Damsel-In-Distress and ended up as Ol' Yeller. Just brutal.

I was impressed that Anita intends to reference Elaine Marley in future episodes. Some people go directly to Samus Aran as an example of an empowered women in games. But Elaine is a much better example for numerous reasons. For starters, the games she features in are much more story-driven than any Metroid title. Moreover, Samus is never really involved in rescuing male characters, which distances here from the whole "Damsel" trope. Elaine's role in the Secret of Monkey Island is a textbook example of spoofing and even openly mocking the Damsel trope.
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« Reply #78 on: March 08, 2013, 10:29:12 AM »

You know what really speaks about the state of feminism in video games industry?

That a completely inoffensive video, that I watched to my morning coffee, where some gal speaks some obvious things about a common trope in video games, can be seen as actually controversial. And that there are people trying to discredit it by basically saying: "What can a woman know about mah vidyagames!"
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« Reply #79 on: March 08, 2013, 10:38:50 AM »

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« Reply #80 on: March 08, 2013, 10:40:18 AM »

isnt the amazing atheist the guy who stuffed a banana in his ass
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« Reply #81 on: March 08, 2013, 10:43:53 AM »

isnt the amazing atheist the guy who stuffed a banana in his ass
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« Reply #82 on: March 08, 2013, 10:59:25 AM »

isnt the amazing atheist the guy who stuffed a banana in his ass
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« Reply #83 on: March 08, 2013, 11:03:32 AM »

The thing is her series looks like it will also brought back forgotten good examples and might actually raise overall female characters profile with thing to look for as example.

More than highlighting the bad I believe it will also highlight the good.

Definitely I would like a much broader analysis as a follow up, ie character and story pattern in game and how we can evolve them. But that's not what she had been backed to do.
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« Reply #84 on: March 08, 2013, 11:25:43 AM »

I've never played starfox adventures and I'm glad because I never got to see fox as a bumbling idiot.
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« Reply #85 on: March 08, 2013, 11:29:29 AM »

You just describe the entire game plot really!
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« Reply #86 on: March 08, 2013, 12:41:51 PM »

However, I was quite disgusted at the disabled ratings and comments on YouTube. Very immature and insecure. She wants everybody to listen to her but doesn't one anyone else to speak. I understand that a video like this would probably invite misogynistic twats to insult her but that's just pretty much the Internet in a nutshell. If you get on it and make a statement, you don't pay mind to trolls.

A youtube comment section filled with nothing but bigotry and misogyny has no value. I'm glad those people aren't given a place to display their opinions to the world.
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« Reply #87 on: March 08, 2013, 12:43:48 PM »

it's not like there isn't other place to discuss it
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« Reply #88 on: March 08, 2013, 01:16:38 PM »

Came across this in a similar discussion. It's worth a read.
http://weeklysift.com/2012/09/10/the-distress-of-the-privileged/
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Once you grasp the concept of privileged distress, you’ll see it everywhere: the rich feel “punished” by taxes; whites believe they are the real victims of racism; employers’ religious freedom is threatened when they can’t deny contraception to their employees; English-speakers resent bilingualism — it goes on and on.
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« Reply #89 on: March 08, 2013, 01:17:09 PM »

the only way i can imagine why anyone would think to bring up samus is because they interpreted the whole video to mean "nintendo games are sexist"

Well at least you are trying to think and imagine other possibilities instead of just declaring anything and everything that does not align to your world view as "dum".  It's a good start.  Keep it up and with some practice it's entirely possible you may develop an open mind instead of the shallow victim one you are presenting.  This entire video is a trope itself, "I don't like how things are so I'll complain about them instead of trying to do something about it, someone ELSE should fix it, I'm not able to fix it I can just send a message and try to get someone more capable to do so".  The video is a message for someone else to fix the problem, much like princess peach sending a message so someone ELSE to rescue her.  If you don't like the situation make and fund games that you do like instead of trying to make everyone else conform to your view.

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