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« Reply #75 on: April 27, 2013, 12:05:01 PM »

Fair enough.  I'll post one up soon, I had one posted earlier but took it down because nobody seemed to notice it(was like... page 2/3 or something.

I think part of why I haven't posted anything YET aside from that, is I'm already aware of a lot of the problems in my tracks that I am working on, and I don't want to post something that to me is obviously nowhere near completion. :p  Once I get a track semi "finished" I'll probably post that. o_O
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« Reply #76 on: April 27, 2013, 12:49:38 PM »

Well, if you decide to post something, I'll be sure to listen Smiley
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« Reply #77 on: April 28, 2013, 09:37:10 AM »

Wow, this thread has come along way since I last got a chance to look it!

Zach, thanks for the review of my piece!  You told me exactly what I needed to hear
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« Reply #78 on: April 28, 2013, 11:08:33 AM »

You're welcome. Grin

And... in the spirit of thrashing other people's music...

http://soundcloud.com/zack-parrish/pyrite-heart-classroom/s-iSEyS

This has to be the most generic piece of music I have EVER written. Smiley  But the setting it's for calls for generic music so... sue me.

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« Reply #79 on: April 28, 2013, 04:37:32 PM »

Oh wow I can't believe I Didn't see this thread sooner! I really needed some good feedback. I tried starting a thread here to get some a while ago but there were only a few good pieces of advice. So I ask you to be as harsh and truthful as possible!

Here's a song I posted to my soundcloud a couple of months ago: https://soundcloud.com/justsometoast/in-which-events-transpire

Go ahead and tear into it!
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« Reply #80 on: April 28, 2013, 05:30:13 PM »

Oh wow I can't believe I Didn't see this thread sooner! I really needed some good feedback. I tried starting a thread here to get some a while ago but there were only a few good pieces of advice. So I ask you to be as harsh and truthful as possible!

Here's a song I posted to my soundcloud a couple of months ago: https://soundcloud.com/justsometoast/in-which-events-transpire

Go ahead and tear into it!

You asked for it... mwahaha... ahem... <_<

First thoughts, it's a pretty muddy mix for most of the track, and there isn't much panning done on the individual parts so it kind of makes it even muddier.  So first thing... spread the parts out a bit, not too much, but enough to keep from having 3-5 parts stacked in the center.  You also need to pass over it with some EQ, brighten it a bit mainly, because it is almost at times like listening to it with a pillow between my head and the "speaker". The part at :27 and onward seems kind of unbalanced, because your drums are going nuts in a sense, and everything else is still at a pretty mellow pace up until around 1:06, when the synth is playing a steady rhythm along side.  At that point the song feels like it should be moving, contrary to the part before it where it felt like it wanted to be but it wasn't?  Well, now that I'm listening a 5th time I can hear something moving with the drums pace but it's hard to distinguish that part from the rest because it's being drowned out by the rest of the instrumentation. 

when you did the reverb, did you just layer one reverb over all the instruments?  That could possibly be another "muddy mix" issue, especially as heavy as the reverb sounds. If you apply varying amounts of reverb to groups or individual tracks you can control the tail of the reverb better so that parts thick with mid range or low end don't start bleeding through too much. 

Yeah... you definitely have a lot of reverb on this, can tell at the end of the track... :\

So, to recap... more panning, EQ, ease up on the reverb.  It's like the song is playing in an airplane hangar. 

I think you could also use an actual "bass" part in this track, whether it's a sub bass or an electric bass, etc... I think it would help balance out the drum part when it starts going ape shit, in addition to bringing out the parts that are moving steadily with the drums. 

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« Reply #81 on: April 28, 2013, 06:24:15 PM »

Ah, thank you for that. I have to say I agree with all of your points.

EQing is something that I really have to work on. It's always too much or too little with me. Definitely going to be more thorough with my next song.
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« Reply #82 on: April 28, 2013, 10:37:11 PM »

Thanks again, man.  I'll really try to nail down transitions better in the future.  Thanks for all your hard work on this topic, too.  Great idea and I'm sure everyone loves it.

I sure don't... makes me feel like an asshole. :\

Its a thread not only good for the person whose turn is but also for us all. I for example whenever someone posts a new track start thinking: "this is a really good track! But what would zack parrish say about it?" and then i try to find all the things that i find could be better and later compare with what you say. Its fun and it prepares me to be more critic with myself and i learn all together Smiley
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« Reply #83 on: April 29, 2013, 10:28:55 AM »


You're welcome.  Grin

And... in the spirit of thrashing other people's music...

http://soundcloud.com/zack-parrish/pyrite-heart-classroom/s-iSEyS

This has to be the most generic piece of music I have EVER written. Smiley  But the setting it's for calls for generic music so... sue me.



OKAAAAYYYY, your turn     Wink

-The first thing I notice is how annoying that percussion loop is (you know, the one with the triangle and guiro/shaker/whatever).  I thought to myself “Surely this will change into something more interesting soon enough.”

But it didn’t. 

It just kept going. 

And going.

I'm sure the boring repetitive-ness is what the scene/setting required, but it would be a lot less annoying if the percussion part changed up somehow.  Maybe by altering the rhythm very slightly over time, or by subbing in and out other percussion instruments with similar timbres, it would retain the same Bolero-style momentum but not cause my eyes to start twitching.

-My second gripe is about the electric bass entrance; it seems a bit too jarring to me.  Maybe bring it down in volume a hair.  Or have another “electric” instrument enter with the bass, or a few bars later maybe.  I particularly like this second option because...

-When the drum beat enters and the bass gets all groovy, the piece still feels a tad too orchestral to me.  Maybe change the instrumentation up a bit here (I dunno, electric piano instead of real piano possibly.  Or not.).  If another electric “pop” instrument had entered with the bass earlier and continued through this part, it might kill two birds with one stone.
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« Reply #84 on: April 29, 2013, 01:39:52 PM »

Totally agree with you.  It's actually some scrap track from 10 years ago I "re-sampled" and ... that's basically it.  Easy money in a sense, though I suppose I could've put a little more effort into expanding on the core idea of the track. :p
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« Reply #85 on: April 29, 2013, 03:03:12 PM »

What WAS the context for that song anyway Zack?
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« Reply #86 on: April 29, 2013, 04:38:21 PM »

What WAS the context for that song anyway Zack?

Oh, uh... *looks for track list descriptions*

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2- Classroom theme; Calming, bright music. It's going to be used for the more light hearted scenes and softer scenes


The guy is pretty vague with all of his descriptions and said he trusts my instinct and to just do whatever I feel will work.  Sent him the track, he approved/paid for it... so it's a still a win! despite being utter crap compared to what I normally do


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« Reply #87 on: April 29, 2013, 07:58:09 PM »

Well, why not.

https://soundcloud.com/audiosprite/sister

It's for an album an artist friend of mine are putting out next month. I did a crappy 'master' for enough level to post on facebook n such but we'll be having it mastered professionally.

I'd say... try and get the drums recorded with a multi-mic setup instead of using one mic... not sure though, could've sworn I heard a tom hitting only in the right side.  The recording is fine as is but it's dead center pan on the majority of the drum parts.  The bass is so wide in comparison it almost feels like two takes.  If you can spread out the different parts of your set more, say... get the cymbals spread out from the center, move the snares and toms so they transition from one side to the other in an even spread, etc.  The bass is really loud.  Leaves the desire for the drums to be louder so my ears aren't being raped by the bass so much.  There is also a lot of line noise from the bass.  Only other thing I'd say you might consider is if you have the ability to do so, multitrack the drum mics(if you have more than one which... to me sounds like you do...) to separate channels and run compression on them so they don't sound so dead in the mix.  The bass is pretty much right in front of me playing a full stack of to 4x12 cabs with a 1000w head, and the drum is on the other side of the room behind a shield.  

I'd say add more instrumentation too but it's clearly an intentionally minimalistic track. :p

Good call on the panning. There are actually five mics on the kit on this take, but the LDCs are in recorderman setup, so there's very little stereo information. Line noise has since been fixed.

As for the size of the bass, I'll admit I enjoy this mix that way. I mean, someone described a bass I recorded as sounding like "a full stack of to 4x12 cabs with a 1000w head!"

So thanks a bunch for your time and for your ears.  Smiley Hand Thumbs Up Right
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« Reply #88 on: April 30, 2013, 06:12:29 AM »

Ok, here's a short little diddy I finished recently that I'd be curious to hear people's thoughts on:
https://soundcloud.com/broken-sounds/find-my-heart
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« Reply #89 on: May 01, 2013, 09:23:54 AM »

Ok, here's a short little diddy I finished recently that I'd be curious to hear people's thoughts on:
https://soundcloud.com/broken-sounds/find-my-heart

sounds very nice. I think the glock has too much mid/low on it - like the hit of the stick against the glock is quite loud in comparison to the note. The note also doesn't ring out for as long as I'd like. Perhaps you've turned the release down on whatever glock you're using. If not, perhaps look for a glock with a long tail which would suit this piece in which it's only really playing sparsely.

The guitar is lovely, very nice double tracking and panning and throwing little variations in each ear and stuff - it works very well.

I mean, this is corny as hell but I don't know what you're going for really. I could imagine this on a dating website advert or a guy talking about a girl he used to date in highschool in some romantic film.

The cello could perhaps do with a little more low end as it sounds a tiny bit thin and background to me. At the same time you don't want to risk people thinking that the cello is playing bass-notes cos it's not. It's difficult. That's me getting really nit-picky but the cello just sounds a tiny bit thin to me. I presume it ends so suddenly cos it's a loop but I'd probably want to have a nice ending if this was being shown for clients or something like that.

MY TURN: Here's my boss theme for super ubi land which I've just finished. I'd love some really harsh crit to get this 100% perfect! (and despite telling off the previous track for cutting off right at the end.... mine also does this at the loop point cos i'm lazy!)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11811680/Ubi%20Boss%20Loop%20Final.wav

Hit me with all you've got!
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