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« Reply #100 on: June 09, 2014, 09:45:19 AM »

please add shadows underneath the enemies/player?
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« Reply #101 on: June 09, 2014, 09:48:16 AM »

please add shadows underneath the enemies/player?

I'll add shadows after finish with tilesets for outside levels. We need a universal solution that will work well with all style tilesets.
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« Reply #102 on: June 09, 2014, 10:24:00 AM »

I just saw your game play video, and it looks amazing ! The top down shooting frenzy in the intricate machine art feels spindled, would certainly love to try out a playable version.  Great work !
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« Reply #103 on: June 09, 2014, 05:21:55 PM »

Not sure that understand you correctly. Can you tell a little bit more or show an examples?
Ghosting is a slight delay in the screen, most emulators have it available as an option.

Re: the prime modulo thing: if your "normal" looped index is i and your number of sprites is n, you can stagger i through n by multiplying i by some prime larger than n, and taking the modulo of that number and n.

for example using 149 as the prime (fits in unsigned 8 bits, probably large enough)
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int ix = (i * 149) % n;
This is similar to the process often used to store elements into a hash table.

It should reduce the "mexican wave" aspect of the flickering by making them blink out of order

Coupled with the AI actively trying to avoid flickering (which is a great idea btw), should improve the appearance of everything.
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« Reply #104 on: June 10, 2014, 05:31:36 AM »

I just saw your game play video, and it looks amazing ! The top down shooting frenzy in the intricate machine art feels spindled, would certainly love to try out a playable version.  Great work !

Thank you! We will release the demo in late summer and I hope it will meet all expectations.



Ghosting is a slight delay in the screen, most emulators have it available as an option.

We plan to release game on a cartridges, not sure there is hardware support for this.

Thank you for detailed reply, hope this helps. Still don't understand (because I'm just an artist), but I believe that the programmer will understand what you mean.
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« Reply #105 on: June 10, 2014, 03:03:07 PM »

'Ghosting' is a screen effect that is characteristic of old CRT/tube TVs and is pretty iconic.
In an NES game, it'd be done by the TV itself rather than in the game, but it'd be kind of neat to have the effect in the PC version too, if there is one.

I think that's what he means
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« Reply #106 on: June 12, 2014, 04:44:39 AM »

'Ghosting' is a screen effect that is characteristic of old CRT/tube TVs and is pretty iconic.
In an NES game, it'd be done by the TV itself rather than in the game, but it'd be kind of neat to have the effect in the PC version too, if there is one.

All I can answer that it was comments about NES game, not about PC game, which stylized under NES graphics style.
We have to use sprite flicker effect because metasprite of any character in game consists of two 8x8 px sprites; 2 sprites for player + 2 sprites for enemy + 1 sprite for bullet + 3 sprites for explosion = 8 sprite per line limit for NES hardware.
We don't focus on extended features of NES emulators becausewe want to release this game on standart NES cartridges (NROM-256, 32 Kb PRG ROM, 8 Kb CHR ROM ) without mappers and CHR RAM.

Following now! (better late than never) Looks really cool! Can't wait to see more!

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« Reply #107 on: June 12, 2014, 05:47:01 PM »

The comment was assuming you're developing / screen capturing with an emulator Smiley old TVs had shitty response time and colour bleeding, and rapid flickering on them can create a partial transparency as opposed to just flickering the sprites.

I probably shouldn't have said "ghosting" for NES though as that implies response time more to with LCD of the of the GameBoy/GBC - "ghosting" on CRTS is more like this:

Which is also iconic and would be great to see emulated if there's a PC launch.

Either way, I was just commenting because it looks like the response time you're using is pretty instant, which makes the flickering more noticeable than it strictly might be on TVs commonly used with NES.

Admirable that you're planning to release on cart - will you do a bundled emulator+rom PC version as well?

For your explosions you _might_ be able to write them into the tilemap to save on sprites fwiw, but that depends how you're storing the level in memory. I know they did this for big bosses in gameboy games like nemesis and Chikyuu Kaihou Gun ZAS (especially look up that last one if you haven't already) - using it for tile aligned explosions would cut down the number of sprites eaten by effects.

Also you mention using 8x8 sprites - any reason for doing that over the 8x16 mode? looks like you'll be getting close to the 64 sprite limit with 8x8.
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« Reply #108 on: June 19, 2014, 10:18:25 AM »

Just want to say that this game looks eyeball exploding amazing.. (I can't see what I'm typing.. smoking eye sockets). Definitely following this game. I've just started learning making pixel art in the last year, so I can certainly appreciate how nice your graphics and gameplay are. Must have taken an intense amount of work so far.  Hand Thumbs Up Left
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« Reply #109 on: July 07, 2014, 10:19:02 AM »

Wow, been a fan of your art since i accidentally stumbled upon one of your images.
Now i find this, similarily by chance.
Looks great so far, followed :D
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« Reply #110 on: September 03, 2014, 03:53:34 AM »

Start location and player's shuttle from Betelgeuse demo:

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« Reply #111 on: September 03, 2014, 05:24:47 AM »

Looks fantastic!
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« Reply #112 on: September 04, 2014, 06:01:04 AM »

Admirable that you're planning to release on cart - will you do a bundled emulator+rom PC version as well?
I don't know, NES development is stopped for a while, we must finsh PC version first.

Looks fantastic!

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« Reply #113 on: September 04, 2014, 06:25:11 AM »

Do you mean he'll guide you in the laboratory or he will guide you to the laboratory? Probably want to clarify :^)
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« Reply #114 on: September 05, 2014, 02:08:21 AM »

Do you mean he'll guide you in the laboratory or he will guide you to the laboratory? Probably want to clarify :^)

My english is so bad that I'm not sure what exactly I mean. Evil What variant you like more?
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« Reply #115 on: September 05, 2014, 02:59:49 AM »

Nice to see some really colourful pixel art!
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« Reply #116 on: September 05, 2014, 03:49:44 AM »

well they mean different things - one is him guiding you once you're already there, the other one is him showing you the way there and probably leaving you to go inside yourself.
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« Reply #117 on: September 05, 2014, 10:52:47 AM »

Betelgeuse is looking beautiful 08, I can easily see myself being lost in its world!
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« Reply #118 on: September 06, 2014, 12:32:18 AM »

Yes, looking very good Smiley
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« Reply #119 on: September 07, 2014, 12:16:48 AM »

well they mean different things - one is him guiding you once you're already there, the other one is him showing you the way there and probably leaving you to go inside yourself.

Now I understand. Then "to labaratory". Doctor Lee waiting player in Station Office and laboratory placed in deep underground, on one of the floors around a central shaft of Station.

I must say that before we releasing the demo, we will try to find a guy with a good knowledge of english or hire him, if we'll have a budget. c:

Betelgeuse is looking beautiful 08, I can easily see myself being lost in its world!

In game will be other worlds and player is free to choose where to go on his shuttle.  Wink

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