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[Boreal]

What about all the male characters who are depicted as evil barbarians for the player to mow down?  Is the only solution have a game that's all about a female character massacring all the men that are obviously all down to desecrate female corpses?

Maybe these games are highlighting some of the gruesome aspects of sexism that exist in the real world.  But trying to get these elements banned is the same as censoring books that deal with controversial themes.

Also, if you walk into a strip club, what the hell do you expect to find if not, surprise, strippers?

[Alevice]

way to miss the point

[HöllenKobold]

boreal's example actually sounds like an example of an exploitation film instead lol

[gimymblert]

Maybe because teh subject is about women, I mena there is nothing in this video about police brutality in teh US especially after ferguson .... OF COURSE THAT'S NOT THE TOPIC (plus she adressed that point in one of the damsel in distress video) + there is an entire video planned about reviewing solution down the road XD

[Glyph]

I think the video covers Boreal's complaint about halfway through.

Also I really hated those boorish scenes in Dragon: Age origins and the game in general. It was the cesspit of bad things in RPGs.

[Tuba]

As always, I agree with her point but some of her examples are distorted or taken out of context. I don't think the corpses in Bioshock are sexualized and neither the ghost of the stripper, it has a good reason to be there. The bordello in Dishonored also fits well in the context of the game.

I guess, some games make good use of the tropes and some make very bad use of them. Rape and violence against women shouldn't be treated so lightly. I think some of it is the result of the medium trying to be more mature but not knowing how to handle mature themes yet.

[Müsta Klaki]

This dunderhead still makes these videos...? I thought the internet was rid of her...

[Blambo]

ok i officially think youre a nerd on all fronts

[TeeGee]

As always, I agree with her point but some of her examples are distorted or taken out of context. I don't think the corpses in Bioshock are sexualized and neither the ghost of the stripper, it has a good reason to be there. The bordello in Dishonored also fits well in the context of the game.

You know, even if it sometimes fits in the context of a particular narrative, it's still troubling that so many games do it (often mindlessly). Tropes are not bad in themselves and can be very useful. It's their overuse that's problematic. At best, it's lazy writing. At worst, a symptom of how disturbed and misogynistic video games are. Especially given the cultural context.

All in all, really liked this episode. And then liked the reaction of the devs of some of the games involved even more.

[s0]

I don't think the corpses in Bioshock are sexualized

really? i thought they were pretty obviously sexualized considering how they were posed, esp compared to the male corpses. also if this is supposed to be a brothel, why are all the dead men fully dressed? wat a hell?

[Schoq]

trying to get these elements banned

yeah that's what this is about

good job

[oodavid]

Skipped through large chunks of it, but I think I'm on board with her points; mind you, all the games on show looked like AAA titles; does the same objectification of women happen with smaller studios and games?

[Tazi]

I still have issues with her inside out way of viewing on things, but at least she provided a conclusion not just making a list of what's happening in which game.

I guess she might be credible to some of her followers, but she still has what she always had: the superficial views on facts, and never adressing any of her mistakes. Her recent biggest one is taking side with someone who wanted to destroy a pro-feminist (and actually pro-transgender) game jam with false claims, and doxxing.

[Tuba]

I don't think the corpses in Bioshock are sexualized

really? i thought they were pretty obviously sexualized considering how they were posed, esp compared to the male corpses. also if this is supposed to be a brothel, why are all the dead men fully dressed? wat a hell?

Good point.

[CesarD8]

While I think that she has some good points, I find infuriating the way she approaches them, some examples are bad, in my opinion, especially the brothel ones where developers did a good job by depicting somewhat accurately the scenery. The comment she mades about males being fully dressed and females being sexually provocative it's because that's the way it is in real life, it's not a trope, it's a fact, if you watch the red carpet where the attendants clothing are considered elegant, you see that men are fully clothed, while women often have big cleveages or dresses that show a lot of skin.

I don't want you to get the wrong idea, I am conscious that there is a big problem against the way women are portrayed in popular culture, but it's much more a cultural problem that a videogame one. The real problem is that we live in a macho society, and games are a product of our society, that's where the problem reside not in the games in itself. I mean, you have a game ambiented in a circa 1900 México(Red Dead Redemption), where women were treated horribly just like they show in the game, what can you expect? Gender equity in the game? No, because it's an accurated depiction of the setting, you would be complaining about developers doing a good job.

Summarizing, I have a big problem with her examples, which almost in their entirety are just good depicting of the settings. She wants the developers to sacrifice credibility and immersion in order to show a better world and culture than the one that exists.

PD: If she had done a good research, she should have mentioned the MMORPGS where the women are shamelessly sexualized or the unbelivably stupid marketing campaign of EA's Dante's Inferno. A sinful night? Come on.

[Boreal]

tazi, you're a moron

For pointing out her pathetic support of what Zoe Quinn is doing?  Also, check out her false flag followed by a post asking for more sympathy money.

I'll link the image so I don't offend anyone here.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwEefh5IcAAG_ob.jpg:large

Notice how the screenshot was taken 12 seconds after the last post, and how she isn't logged into her Twitter accound.  Looks a bit fishy, eh?  The icing on the cake is that she can't avoid complimenting herself.

[s0]

why a hell would she need to fake harassment? she has more than enough real haters. unless you believe those are all sockpuppets as well, in which case...

[ink.inc]

anime avetars strike again

[SimplyRivet]

Boreal, even if you are right, how she asks for money is irrelevant to the argument that she's trying to make.

As far the subject of the brothels, I agree that the developers have more or less gotten it right when it comes to depicting them. The more pressing issue is why are there so many brothels in the first place? If we take GTA 4, sure it is accurate to the setting, but it's also one of the few types buildings that you can enter. An equally appropriate setting would be a gas station that could be robbed. However, the developers prioritized the strip club instead, presumably for the sexual titillation.

That's just an isolated incident though, so it could be a coincidence. The problem is, there have been so many strip clubs and brothels in games that people have written articles on which ones are better. http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2012/09/the-10-best-strip-clubs-and-brothels-in-video-games/strip-club

The problem is not that strip clubs exist in video games, the problem is that they are so pervasive.