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[Muz]

I want to play a RPG but most have way too much filler. Definition of filler is just unsatisfying crap that makes me feel like I wasted time - pointless dialogue, dungeons that don't effect the plot or give you cool stuff, running around a lot, things like mandatory alchemy or crafting.

I do like games like Avernum, which I consider the benchmark.

Also going for roleplaying games with actual roleplaying and plot and not plotless roguelikes like Crawl.

So any suggestions?

[ஒழுக்கின்மை (Paul Eres)]

if you don't like crafting, sidequests, filler dungeons etc, then play the classics -- jrpgs for the nes and snes and ps1. stuff like final fantasy 4-6, lufia 1-2, lunar 1-2, suikoden 1-2, chrono trigger, stuff like that

as an aside, the word is affect, not effect. effect means something completely different than affect (as a verb). http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/affect-versus-effect

[Pishtaco]

Gothic 1 - fantastic opening, trying to get a toehold in one of the three very different societies in an ex-prison colony. Maybe has some filler in the middle section.

Shadowrun Dragonfall - good story and writing, motivates some RPG tropes with the idea that you are trying to live up to the example of the person you're replacing.

[starsrift]

I'm gonna keep recommending Albion by Blue Byte until my head explodes.

It does have some running around though as its overworld section is a bit unintuitive.

[baconman]

The SNES-era and GameBoy Final Fantasy games are pretty good for that. I also enjoyed Chrono Trigger and Super Mario RPG immensely back in the day. A couple of more modern indie JRPGs I dug into awhile back are Cthulhu Saves The World and Breath of Death VII (both on Steam sale for $1.49 right now).

There was one or two more, I'm trying to recall... FastCrawl *might* be up your alley, but I'd check out a video or demo of it first, and it's a good game but not a $20 good game; not sure how to get a discount on that...

[rj]

paper mario: the thousand year door

the world ends with you (admittedly this has some amount, but it's never too much)

[Randomasta]

Gothic 1 - fantastic opening, trying to get a toehold in one of the three very different societies in an ex-prison colony. Maybe has some filler in the middle section.

IIRC in Gothic 1 the later stages can be very tough if you're strictly only following the main quest and not doing any of the side quests / killing random moonsters. Still a very good game tho

[gimymblert]

CHrono TRigger

[Schrompf]

The Mass Effect series. It even got a lot of flak from RPG fans because it allowed so little inventory handling and stats optimisation. In my books this is a huge plus, because I'm a sucker for stories and characters, and I hate the leveling just for the purpose of overcoming artificial challenges. Mass Effect 3, apart from the slightly unsatisfying end, solely consisted of meaningful missions where even the side missions were scripted nicely with additional dialogue and choices. No simple "Shoot everything and be done" anywhere.

If, on the other hand, even side missions are to be avoided, you might be better off in a Point'n'Click adventure.

[s0]

vampire the masquerade: bloodlines
fallout 1

[battlerager]

Gothic 1

Pretty much this.

if you don't like crafting, sidequests, filler dungeons etc, then play the classics -- jrpgs for the nes and snes and ps1. stuff like final fantasy 4-6, lufia 1-2, lunar 1-2, suikoden 1-2, chrono trigger, stuff like that

Lufia 2 is amazing, but I'd say pretty repetitive / grindy at bits.

The action rpgs of that era are really fun (Secret of Mana, Secret of Evermore, Soul Blazer series)

[TacoBell_Lord]

Shadowrun Dragonfall - good story and writing, motivates some RPG tropes with the idea that you are trying to live up to the example of the person you're replacing.

Dude...aside from Dragonfall, Shadowrun Returns has an amazing community, the game is essential a remake of the Paper&Pen game because you download user-created content that can be over 100hours long, Harebrained Schemes did this amazing thing & turn anyone who makes content with the tools into Dungeon Masters...that was fuckin brilliant on their part. I'm addicted to this game right now, best $10 i ever spent 

[Netsu]

fallout 1

and 2.
Also Planescape: Torment but that felt way smaller.

[bitserum]

Rage of Mages if you don't mind some MOBA elements (being real time, battlefield positioning, etc)

[Muz]

Thanks will check out some of these.

I don't really like the classics. I was a Wizardry fan a long time ago but they're unplayable now IMO. And FF7 feels horrible because graphics. It's just these things age badly. Betrayal at Krondor still looks good, but the gameplay still feels clumsy by today's standards (like having to sharpen weapons or the large map).

I'll check out Mass Effect too. Been avoiding it since it's been quite mainstream.

vampire the masquerade: bloodlines
fallout 1

Played both. They're the right kind of games I'm looking for.

[Tazi]

Shadowrun: Returns, especially the Dragonfall expansion which will come out as a stand alone release within a week.
Great story, dialogues, battle system, and music. 

[s0]

vampire the masquerade: bloodlines
fallout 1

Played both. They're the right kind of games I'm looking for.

btw i wish more modern rpgs would use tight, limited "hub worlds" like bloodlines did. don't get me wrong, open worlds are cool but not every game needs them.

[Alevice]

ME 2 and ME3 are sorta like that. ME1 not that much - I enjoyed the setting and the lore bits there, in addition to shepard herself, but the sidequests are bleh.

[s0]

ME1 (only one i played) didn't feel like that at all to me, it felt disjointed and way too linear. i had the same issue with the witcher games, 2 moreso than 1.

[Alevice]

yeah i just said that. me2 has more hub like regions with a bit to do, at least in terms of recruit and loyalty missions.