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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2014, 11:42:05 PM »

from what ive heard about the devs, nope

From what you've heard? From a Tumblr blog? You're buying into the Neo-Nazi nonsense? I think I'll stick to the Business forum.

Some guy called "MorganRamsay" left a bunch of links in this thread where the devs speak out. You should check 'em out.
Didn't say anything about hating the character. It's just supposed to be relaxing to kill folks in an FPS. Which, you know, it is.
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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2014, 11:42:20 PM »

i heard it from someone else before the tumblr post was even a thing lol

and yes i'm "buying into" the neo-nazi "nonsense" or rather i know what ive heard and seen and i know that the guy's explanation for why he likes an extreme right wing group on facebook was pretty flimsy.
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2014, 11:51:35 PM »

you're only aware of video game controversies because you follow video game news

A fair point, although I don't actually follow any news in particular, it just came on my radar through someone's facebook.

All in all I don't think banning is a good solution, it's up to individual stores if they want to promote games like this. My guess is it will only see self-distribution.
I don't care much either way since I don't believe there's any real value in such games.
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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2014, 01:36:40 AM »

It's basically a generic twinstick shooter except you're shooting human, innocent or not, so there's still no visible breakthrough of gameplay or story which make me wanna buy/play.

Or rather, it's just Alien Shooter but all the alien is human, so i don't know why genocide against something that's not human is okay and it's not okay if it's human. Though i must say it's understandable if people against  game about human genocide, but if the same said people is okay with, say, game that have you kill every animal visible, then that said people is just the same as saying they're okay with human being the target. What's the similarity of shooting human that's running away from you, but fight back for survival, and shooting animal/creature that's running away from you, but fight back for survival? You're shooting something that don't wanna die.

Who know, maybe in the end the story will present a twist where the character you play will, like, getting shoot to death, magically revived and jailed, or nuke to death. Such twist is okay for movie, drama, novel, but it seems it's not okay with game. Hell, If i'm not wrong, Saw is about human genocide and the villain is not dead or punished in the end.

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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2014, 04:39:34 AM »

i think it's a more honest version of most violent games, where they try to pretend the zombies or whatever that you are killing would kill you if you didn't mow them down violently first, and that they have no feelings and their entire life's purpose is to be shot by the player. if anything i think it's a positive step for the legitimacy of games, i wish more violent games would be as honest about what they are really about

also it's possible the neo-nazi connections were accidental, sure. for instance, on facebook i like a group called "anarcho-fascism". i clicked like on it mainly as a joke, because i liked the idea of a self-contradictory philosophy, the idea that nazis can be anarchists too. someone could one day be like 'why do you like a group about fascism???' and i'd just have to say 'i clicked like as a joke', which is true, but maybe they won't believe it? who knows, i doubt it'd be a problem because i don't make violent games, i tend to make non-violent ones. it's also notable that none of the people killed in that trailer seem to be ethnic minorities, it's a game about a white guy killing other white people

i think that as an aside actually *is* why it's controversial; if it were a white guy killing brown people nobody would even get offended by this game, or notice it
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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2014, 05:01:44 AM »

its also an anti-"political correctness" and anti-"sjw" game as per the devs' own admission.

also the guy didnt he say he liked the fb page as a joke, he says he uses  it as a source of "news", thats a big difference.

also some of them are literally shown wearing tshirts with these extreme right wing groups' logos in that one pic, come on! if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck etc.
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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2014, 05:15:02 AM »

I live in Ukraine, and here there are devs who are tottaly into radical organisations.
Long story short, our nutters derived from nazi formed anti-communist militia, who later rebeled.
Now they tell that they are both against nazism and commies, but at heart they carry ideas of xenophoby and violent opposition and extermination.
I dont know about polish people, but idea seems to be similar: xenophobic nazi skinheads pretending that they protect country from commies and easterns.
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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2014, 05:20:37 AM »

oh, groups like that (who claim to be "neither left nor right" but are actually just plain old fascists) exist pretty much everywhere nowadays. in austria where i live, a political party with known neo nazi ties was part of the government in the 00s (ofc they claim the nazis in their ranks are just "isolated incidents").
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« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2014, 05:35:12 AM »

also some of them are literally shown wearing tshirts with these extreme right wing groups' logos in that one pic, come on! if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck etc.

If we're talking about the same pic: no, they aren't.

i think that as an aside actually *is* why it's controversial; if it were a white guy killing brown people nobody would even get offended by this game, or notice it

You honestly think that? I'm 100% sure it would be much, much worse if the antagonist was of a different race than all the victims. The game is already controversial, how is making it about racial purging helping?

I live in Ukraine, and here there are devs who are tottaly into radical organisations.
Long story short, our nutters derived from nazi formed anti-communist militia, who later rebeled.
Now they tell that they are both against nazism and commies, but at heart they carry ideas of xenophoby and violent opposition and extermination.
I dont know about polish people, but idea seems to be similar: xenophobic nazi skinheads pretending that they protect country from commies and easterns.

There are all kinds of right-wing enthusiasts in Poland, as I'm sure there are in Ukraine. But you don't have to be a nazi skinhead to be against communism or aknowledge that islamisation is a problem.

also the guy didnt he say he liked the fb page as a joke, he says he uses  it as a source of "news", thats a big difference.

There are all kinds of facebook groups dedicated to posting links to articles and videos regarding aggression from islam followers towards other religions or their own women and children. It's probably racism and xenophobia for you, for me it's being aware of how human rights are broken all over the world and what can happen in our countries if the policies of tolerance and socialism are not changed.
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« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2014, 05:38:01 AM »

For me Hatred is the kind of game I don't exactly want to play, but I'm happy that it exists because it is the catalyst of a conversation about video games that I think is worth having. Does a game like this encourage or celebrate real-world violence? Is it fundamentally different from other highly violent games, or other games where you play as a villainous character?

The gameplay itself looks dull to me, at least judging by what I've seen of it so far, but I'm looking at how people react to the game with great interest.
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« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2014, 06:38:55 AM »

basically it looks like they literally just made hotline miami without any of what made it good, fun or interesting











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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2014, 07:39:41 AM »

basically it looks like they remade postal and made it worse
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« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2014, 07:40:37 AM »

also true

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« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2014, 07:44:36 AM »

Quote from: netsu
I live in Ukraine, and here there are devs who are tottaly into radical organisations.
Long story short, our nutters derived from nazi formed anti-communist militia, who later rebeled.
Now they tell that they are both against nazism and commies, but at heart they carry ideas of xenophoby and violent opposition and extermination.
I dont know about polish people, but idea seems to be similar: xenophobic nazi skinheads pretending that they protect country from commies and easterns.

There are all kinds of right-wing enthusiasts in Poland, as I'm sure there are in Ukraine. But you don't have to be a nazi skinhead to be against communism or aknowledge that islamisation is a problem.

also the guy didnt he say he liked the fb page as a joke, he says he uses  it as a source of "news", thats a big difference.

There are all kinds of facebook groups dedicated to posting links to articles and videos regarding aggression from islam followers towards other religions or their own women and children. It's probably racism and xenophobia for you, for me it's being aware of how human rights are broken all over the world and what can happen in our countries if the policies of tolerance and socialism are not changed.

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« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2014, 07:46:30 AM »

the memetic potential of inadvertently hilarious phrases like "my genocide crusade starts now" is something, i guess

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« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2014, 07:51:42 AM »

dumb what's the point when muslim massacre was made ten years ago
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« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2014, 08:05:03 AM »

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« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2014, 08:54:38 AM »

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My opinion is that the devs are just making something controversial on purpose and capitalizing on what's going on in the games industry right now.  They said they just wanted to make a pure gameplay experience but from what I can tell the gameplay is extremely bland.
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« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2014, 09:09:10 AM »

The thing I wanted to say is that this game probably grabbed attention not because it is amoral, but because developers themselves seem to be creeps.
People say that its no different from violent games, but violent games are generally ironic in their violence. I rarely seen violence being celebrated, more laughted at or supposed to be horrific.
Its not about violence, its about their morbid misunderstanding of social norms.
I doubt that developers of Postal have room full of guns and desire to kill them browns, but those dudes actually can have that.
It comes from my experience in Gamedev.ru, where racial slurs and antisemitism being trown casually and rarely punished, because people laught at idea of tolerance as US propaganda as something funny and dont think its a real issue.
Its a sad place, and consequences of such attitude are clearly visible.
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« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2014, 10:31:13 AM »

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My opinion is that the devs are just making something controversial on purpose and capitalizing on what's going on in the games industry right now.  They said they just wanted to make a pure gameplay experience but from what I can tell the gameplay is extremely bland.

Exactly, it looks like all they wanted to achieve is shock people with the brutality.
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