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[Paleskins]

Chance Adamson

http://www.indiedb.com/games/severed-world

http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=45692.0
http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?action=profile;u=73286

http://www.pixeljoint.com/p/47524.htm


Guys, I do not know where I can report on that guy. Dont trust this person. I know this situations happen often. But I think the way how this guys should be punished - public attention on their dishonest actions.

I'm a good pixel artist with huge experience and I'm offended with this situation.


Did not paid money for a first run. Firstly he hired me. Then send an asset list in which was said that I had to do around 12-15 animations with sprite itself in 3 directions in 2 hours. I noticed Chance that I will try to fit estimates. After spending 4 hours of work I was comepletly sure that I can not do this in that estimates. I have noticed Chance. After that we decided that I should stop. Then he said that he will pay me for that time. He said me to throw my paypal account, but I asked to wait for one-two days I was need to check my account and credit card. When I checked my card and everything were right I have said that he can send me money. After this moment he started dissapearing, I was not able to normally talk, he was always dissapearing, saying some kind of "I have a dinner, will be online in a few hours". After that he appears only on the next day.
When I started normal talk, he said that he wouldnt pay me that amount, He cant believe that I can spend so much time for that amount (15 sprited + 1 animation). He came up with some unexisted in our dialogue agreement that he should pay only for "usable" content. My content is usable, art that I have done is good-looking and fits already used game style.

I am so much offended with this behavior.

I do not recommend Chance Adamson as safe employer. He has decieved me.

I will delete this when he will pay me my money for a time that I have spent on him.

Thank for an attention.

[Moth]

Callout threads are against this forum's rules but I'd be interested in seeing what a mod had to say regarding this, because getting taken advantage of is a legitimate issue for creatives, and best practices for avoiding a situation in which you would get taken advantage of, and what to do if it has already happened, are worth having out in the open, and could ideally be the solution for avoiding the creation of further callouts. Maybe an ideal action to take could be editing this thread to remove the identity of the person being called out.

Sorry to hear about your difficulties, I've seen people in the creative industry get taken advantage of in a similar way and it's very frustrating. My partner invested a lot of work into a project only to realize the lead had been taking advantage of a constant stream of new fresh talent who were willing to do spec work on the promise of later pay, then not pay anyone and actually threaten legal action to silence the people who were previously doing the free work to try and maintain good PR with potential prey.

Do you know the other artists on the project? My foremost advice in this situation is that you should get in contact with them and tell them what's happening and hopefully they would help you get to the bottom of this. 4 hours of work is 4 hours of work, especially if he said he "hired you" and then claimed he would pay you for what you did make. I do think it's sad when someone commissions an artist, already familiar with their work beforehand, and then claim the end product is not worth money. I guess occasionally even a great cook could make a poor meal but I've never seen an artist produce significantly worse work for a commissioned gig.

In the future, this is what I'd suggest doing, as well as anyone reading this thread:

• 1. For small jobs that aren't worth the complication of a contract, figure out a rate to charge by-the-sprite (based on complexity, size and frames) and then have your client pay up-front.
• 2. For big jobs make sure there's a good contract first so people can't hit-and-run.

[joseph ¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

You're a very good artist, you should always ask for some % up front and a locked in contract before doing any work. Don't draw anything unless there are papers signed and proof of intent to pay you.

I've never done art that I wasn't already partially paid for, and I believe from your portfolio your assets are worth more money than any I've produced for clients. Don't settle for work with someone who won't give you fair terms.

There are threads on pixelation/pixeljoint where you can get in touch with moderators regarding good/bad experiences, perhaps consider going one of those routes instead of a public callout.

[Paragonyx]

You're a very good artist, you should always ask for some % up front and a locked in contract before doing any work. Don't draw anything unless there are papers signed and proof of intent to pay you.

I've never done art that I wasn't already partially paid for, and I believe from your portfolio your assets are worth more money than any I've produced for clients. Don't settle for work with someone who won't give you fair terms.

There are threads on pixelation/pixeljoint where you can get in touch with moderators regarding good/bad experiences, perhaps consider going one of those routes instead of a public callout.

Good advice.

Do not work on anything until papers are signed that protect both you and the other party in the event of something going wrong.

However, you may have legal grounds if there were no papers signed and he ends up using your assets. I am not EXACTLY sure but usually when work is done, you still retain the rights to it unless there was some type of contract stating that you're transferring ownership of your work to the other party. It's usually part of a working agreement. I am not trying to douse fire onto the flame but don't set a bad precedence. He needs to know that you will go after him and that you have legal grounds to do so.

Sorry to hear about what happened and I wish you good luck.

- Alexis

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[BishopGames]

This is indeed a frustrating situation, but as others said, you should never EVER do some work without a contract signed. When I say contract it can only be a Word document that you make on your own with rules and guidelines.

As a freelancer artist, you should probably have a contract template made so it doesn't happen again. Of course, people can still scam you but they are less likely to do so if a contract is signed.

Hope this works out for you.