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[jiitype]

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[Schoq]

I also think anyone who might make such a claim hasn't thought through the implications of their own beliefs, because to do so should invariably lead to utter despair in their futility. Whenever I've heard advocates of this world view speak, they always happen to include certain 'hopes' and 'values' right after nullifying the capacity of such metaphysical concepts in arguing for pointless existence

It's possible to think long and hard and arrive at determinism and nihilism and find it's a dead end of existential terror. It's not weird to know it rationally but still act as if anything has value just to stay sane. It's intellectually dishonest perhaps but it's better than the alternative.

[J-Snake]

I know a lot of people claim they live for nothing and will be happy to simply no longer exist when they die, but I think if you searched how they live, it would tell a story of someone devoted to something, even if that something was themselves or it could even be their identity in believing a godless ideology.

The more interesting question is, why are you devoted to prove that they are devoted to something.

[oahda]

I wasn't even talking about being afraid of life being meaningless. Why is that considered such a scary thought?

I was more thinking along the lines of hopelessness in a hopeless and foul world where heinous acts are societal norms that nobody bats an eye at, and feeling helpless – not afraid of meaninglessness, which I can't see why people find so scary.

[gimymblert]

BTW those thought that lead to despair is typical of individualistic society, it's rather common outside that, where the self importance is not as much an ideals

[Schoq]

Prinsessa this is 4 u

(it's about the overwhelming terror at the realization that there's really nothing, and expresses it very beautifully imo)

[Netsu]

I wasn't even talking about being afraid of life being meaningless. Why is that considered such a scary thought?

I was more thinking along the lines of hopelessness in a hopeless and foul world where heinous acts are societal norms that nobody bats an eye at, and feeling helpless – not afraid of meaninglessness, which I can't see why people find so scary.

Yeah, exactly, most things we do are meaningless anyway, what difference does it make to you whether there is god or a soul when you are taking a walk in the park, listening to music, playing games or whatever it is you enjoy doing.

BTW those thought that lead to despair is typical of individualistic society, it's rather common outside that, where the self importance is not as much an ideals

I think it comes rather naturally to humans - being hung up on our own ego and feeling individualistic. But still eastern cultures seem to have much less of a problem with that, at least judging by their philosophy.

[gimymblert]

Prinsessa this is 4 u

(it's about the overwhelming terror at the realization that there's really nothing, and expresses it very beautifully imo)

Praise the sun!

I wasn't even talking about being afraid of life being meaningless. Why is that considered such a scary thought?

I was more thinking along the lines of hopelessness in a hopeless and foul world where heinous acts are societal norms that nobody bats an eye at, and feeling helpless – not afraid of meaninglessness, which I can't see why people find so scary.

Yeah, exactly, most things we do are meaningless anyway, what difference does it make to you whether there is god or a soul when you are taking a walk in the park, listening to music, playing games or whatever it is you enjoy doing.

BTW those thought that lead to despair is typical of individualistic society, it's rather common outside that, where the self importance is not as much an ideals

I think it comes rather naturally to humans - being hung up on our own ego and feeling individualistic. But still eastern cultures seem to have much less of a problem with that, at least judging by their philosophy.

Only if you are part of the WEIRD world (western educated industrialized rich democratic)

[oahda]

Prinsessa this is 4 u

(it's about the overwhelming terror at the realization that there's really nothing, and expresses it very beautifully imo)

I can't listen to anything with this much artificial hypercorrection.

But I read the lyrics. I don't get the connection. Isn't this more about losing people? Not beautiful to me in the least either. Sorry.

[Schoq]

dum

Prinsessa this is 4 u

(it's about the overwhelming terror at the realization that there's really nothing, and expresses it very beautifully imo)

Praise the sun!

You don't have to preach it. I'm from a culture where this is literally what we practice.

[gimymblert]

[oahda]

You don't have to preach it. I'm from a culture where this is literally what we practice.

they*

[J-Snake]

warning, meme potential right there

[oahda]

this is literally me



#onlymmfanswillunderstand

[Schoq]

You don't have to preach it. I'm from a culture where this is literally what we practice.

they*

I guess "what is practised" would work but I don't see the point of being all impersonal when I actually identify with it strongly.

[oahda]

You don't have to preach it. I'm from a culture where this is literally what we practice.

they*

I guess "what is practised" would work but I don't see the point of being all impersonal when I actually identify with it strongly.

I didn't think nerds did identify with that.

[s0]

gilmore girls

[SousaVilla]

Prinsessa this is 4 u

(it's about the overwhelming terror at the realization that there's really nothing, and expresses it very beautifully imo)

Praise the sun!

I wasn't even talking about being afraid of life being meaningless. Why is that considered such a scary thought?

I was more thinking along the lines of hopelessness in a hopeless and foul world where heinous acts are societal norms that nobody bats an eye at, and feeling helpless – not afraid of meaninglessness, which I can't see why people find so scary.

Yeah, exactly, most things we do are meaningless anyway, what difference does it make to you whether there is god or a soul when you are taking a walk in the park, listening to music, playing games or whatever it is you enjoy doing.

BTW those thought that lead to despair is typical of individualistic society, it's rather common outside that, where the self importance is not as much an ideals

I think it comes rather naturally to humans - being hung up on our own ego and feeling individualistic. But still eastern cultures seem to have much less of a problem with that, at least judging by their philosophy.

Only if you are part of the WEIRD world (western educated industrialized rich democratic)

I think that the association between nhilistic anxiety and western educated industralized etc society is an extreme over generalization. You cand find these things on works of art of different contexts, like Macbeth monologue ("life is just a walking shadown, etc") ancient greek epic and tragedy works, gods are indifferent to human sufferning, and Job monologues, I shouldnt have been born, god should send me to sheol, etc. I think is more related to our inability to cope with loss and suffering than anything else. (pseudophilosopher mode off) 

[gimymblert]

You can't be more in the basis of WEIRD than greek judeo christian foundation you are naming, you aren't proving it wrong. Try nirvana, maya, etc ... as concept from other cultures.

Also reflected in some mental illness like schizophrenia which tend to have dark overtone in WEIRD country but mundane in other, WEIRD Schizo tend to hear violent thoughts but other hear things like plea to make ... mundane chore ... what does this tell us about our society?

[s0]

fresh prince