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[Pfotegeist]

I will begin with a joke. There are no new complaints, only new complainers.

We're only concerned about the newest, greatest thing; it's in our face, we suddenly have an issue to deal with. Occasionally there's an unmistakeable error in doing so, and it's a lesson in history, I now present you a very short and unambiguous case.

I finished reading Don Quixote. The humor about how stupid smart people behave when educated about Knight Errantry presented how books in the hands of children are a threat to their mental health.  They probably didn't have anything fun to do but read books for hours and hours, anyway.

Be careful with your [fun] books.  Try to handle them sensibly, differentiate a lesson from a farce.  A fool would lop off ones foot out of fear of toes.

Ok. For discussions sake, is it worth blaming the artist, the medium, the misled, or the fool?  When I thought about it, I find that everyone uses the medium, so to blame it is to play a fool.  An artist may mislead, but also be misled.  Someone blames another that is misled for misleading, they could be an artist or a fool.

[Diabetes Forecast]

what.

[Pfotegeist]

what.

Yes

[ProgramGamer]

Don't blame, educate and communicate. Do something about your own foolishness. A fool who realizes he is a fool is not so much a fool anymore.

[Pfotegeist]

in response ^

Consider a contrary, in response to every don'ter you have a doer. Our own games and society at large encourage contrary thoughts and feelings to a suggestion in order to weigh which action is more to the individual's tastes.

There is an easy rebuttal to every don't. If you were to define a new action, it takes longer to establish a perfect contrary.

[ProgramGamer]

I think we failed to establish the fact that we are talking about human biases. We should name and define them as we go so as to not forget them in future conversations.

[Jordgubben]

(Mount Stupid according to SMBC)


Also, the graph does not show it, but there is always a bigger mountain ahead.

[Pfotegeist]

that graph must mean something

[ProgramGamer]

Theory: maybe it means that the sudden boost of confidence gained from learning something is enough for people to make ridiculous claims that even they don't fully understand. Also, notice how I didn't make a claim based on something I just learned and instead clearly proposed a theory.

[Pfotegeist]

It's a really BIG graph. It's some kind of statistic. I just can't ehhh-well ok it looks familiar somehow, I am enthralled. I especially like the red highlighted region with the name.

[ProgramGamer]

It looks like the uncanny valley, except this time we highlight the early high instead of the early low.

[DireLogomachist]

My personal favorite way of describing this phenomenon is the Dunning-Kruger Effect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

[Pfotegeist]

The invisible ink thing seems legit, but:

Dunning and Kruger set out to test these hypotheses on Cornell undergraduates in psychology courses.

Most common statistic problem is voluntary response bias.
http://stattrek.com/statistics/dictionary.aspx?definition=voluntary_response_bias

The expert solution:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_random_sample

I'll acknowledge the page describes a lot of the D.K. effect in uncertain terms. Like, maybe in reality they just acted cool, instead of flipping out in rage from their bad test scores.

e.g. the observations made were subjective, and the subject lied.

[Pfotegeist]

Here's a Dunning and Kruger spinoff. It's hard to compliment without being aware of the effort and details required for certain accomplishments. It's easy to insult without knowing a thing.

[ProgramGamer]

Here's a Dunning and Kruger spinoff. It's hard to compliment without being aware of the effort and details required for certain accomplishments. It's easy to insult without knowing a thing.

Insightful

[sodap]

I will begin with a joke. There are no new complaints, only new complainers.

We're only concerned about the newest, greatest thing; it's in our face, we suddenly have an issue to deal with. Occasionally there's an unmistakeable error in doing so, and it's a lesson in history, I now present you a very short and unambiguous case.

I finished reading Don Quixote. The humor about how stupid smart people behave when educated about Knight Errantry presented how books in the hands of children are a threat to their mental health.  They probably didn't have anything fun to do but read books for hours and hours, anyway.

Be careful with your [fun] books.  Try to handle them sensibly, differentiate a lesson from a farce.  A fool would lop off ones foot out of fear of toes.

Ok. For discussions sake, is it worth blaming the artist, the medium, the misled, or the fool?  When I thought about it, I find that everyone uses the medium, so to blame it is to play a fool.  An artist may mislead, but also be misled.  Someone blames another that is misled for misleading, they could be an artist or a fool.

two questions:

-are you implying that Don Quixote is about books being dangerous for anyone's mental health?
-are you serious?

(Don Quixote is a critique to chivalry and adhering to the norms, today it would be about political correctness probably)

[Pfotegeist]

^ I can only lol right now, I'll get back to you tomorrow.

[Pfotegeist]

If you interpret parts of the book literally and parts of it figuratively you'll see we're both right. You probably can't use that word, seriously, it's become a crutch word in today's youth.

[Pfotegeist]

When we get used to seeing things, we start recognizing them as mundane, widely accepted, and absolutely every day necessary things that must be had for health and acceptance. Advertisement power!

This brought to you after I saw a little reminder about the placebo effect.

Although mostly what I thought of is how books are pretty potent for captivating an audience.  Must more effective than billboards and popups.

[Torchkas]

(Mount Stupid according to SMBC)

Wait tomatoes aren't a fruit?